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To: Norm Lenhart
Here’s another... So are you saying we continue to let supposedly conservative and Republican pols and voters just run wild, be held to no standard whatever and just do what feels goooodddd Mannn? Because I fail to see how if we cannot hold our own people to account that we ever ‘win’ anything other than what we do. If we stand for the need of the moment, or the politician who we disagree with just to ‘win’, then is it not logical that any such victory would be something other than what we claim to believe in? At what cost victory? Or ‘unity’” Dead babies? More illegals to vote Democrat? Are we EVER going to draw a line and stand behind it? Or is “Compromise” the new name to replace “Conservative? Please tell us. We’d like to know.

You probably have no idea of how much I agree with you. Your frustration is my frustration. Please tell me how we can fix it. Not some pie-in-the-sky scenario where all that call themselves conservatives come together for a number of votes and totally destroy the Left and the Rinos, because there is no evidence that it will work. The Left has fought a long and patient war to keep nudging us to the state we now find ourselves. The Right can either come together to start a slow trend in the other direction or be left with two options. We can watch the final destruction or we can physically wrest our Nation from those who destroy it. It might work or it might fail and just put the cap on our undoing. The, we would have the same problem of trust - would the emergent leadership, who controls the military might that allowed the take-back be 100% conservative enough or would they just be another power-hungry set of despots?

Instead of daydreaming about how we can overcome the Left if only we find the perfect candidate, we would do ourselves much better by taking a realistic look at where we are, how to make progress in the right direction, and figure out which issue will be our main litmus test for such a candidate. There is no way to undo all the evil that has permeated itself in one fell swoop so we can either abide by a long, tedious comeback or we can ... (to quote you) Please tell us. We’d like to know. (if you have a real, substantial and viable 'us'), please tell me of a plan that might actually work and still not offend any of your sensibilities.

Please understand a few thing about my beliefs: ALL illegals should be shown the door. Abortion should be a felony for any female under 18 who has one and a capital offense after attaining the age of "consent". Performing an abortion should be a capital offense [qualify that as abortions not necessary to preserve the mother's life due to some dire circumstance where only one can survive]. Those on welfare and other tax-subsidized assistance should only get enough support to subsist - no Phones/TV/Computer/Car - perhaps OWS style encampments to ensure it was not a pleasurable experience. If able-bodied enough to work, they must start doing something immediately and wean themselves off the assistance withing 18 months. Once off, no comeback for at least 2 years. Those that are truly handicapped can have better living conditions but will not arbitrarily be supplied with all the modern conveniences/comforts. Anything to "make life good" for any of them will be reliant on charitable donations and not as government handouts.

There are many other peeves that I have, but let's not get into them for now - how about coming up with a realistic plan of attack instead of puffing out our chests and telling everyone how we can never crawl out of the holes we find ourselves in because we are so "principled". The Unabomber was "principled" and he actually had the balls to take action; anyone who claims to be principled and then spends 99% of their time typing and talking about his principles, is not principled, he's a lazy malcontent making excuses for not doing anything.

So, what is the plan that makes it all right again? Going to just hold out in the hopes of a "perfect" candidate? Or gonna just (to quote you again) ...do what feels goooodddd Mannn?

37 posted on 02/16/2013 4:11:57 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: trebb

Thank you for the long and considered reply. Here’s the bottom line that I have repeatedly defied anyone, here and elsewhere to factually disprove.

We created this mess by compromise. A little here a little there for 30 years. And now the Republican liberals who we make more liberal by the year, have gone full throttle.

If we had not gone against Reagan’s admonishment that a party cannot be all things to all people, we would not be in this mess. PERIOD.

Now we see daily on FR, people willing to not only accept but CAMPAIGN for candidates supporting the homosexualization of everything, illegal immigration, and even abortion. I submit that if you personally and everyone else, support such candidates by backing them in the court of public opinion or the voting booth, that the collective you/we are the problem and we deserve all the hell we get.

The solution is simple. It’s just that everyone has the one extrasuperspecial excuse that stops them from doing it.

Vote for people you agree with and believe in.

If you (general sense) are on the political right, the rest falls into place. Because most of the country still leans right. Romney lost, MANY in the GOP lose because no one believes a damn thing that comes off their PR press. Many of the people that votel elsewhere or stayed would have been there with bells on...but they would not vote for liars.

No one says a candidate has to be ‘pure’. Because there ain’t one. But if you want to ‘win’ with any integrity and expectation of having your elected candidate do what you sent him to DC to do, it is only rational that you elect someone you can have a prayer of trusting to begin with.

Anyone that cannot follow such simple logic should not be allowed to vote. And if anyone wants to attempt to deny that, there’s a boat on an Egyptian river that could use a Captain.

In sum... Vote for people of principle and integrity who do not see the core tenets of the Constitution like toilet paper, or don’t complain when you have guys saying the Dream act BS is ‘American’. It’s not. And if such candidates are so compromising on the big issues, exactly what do you think they will do on the small ones?

Think clearly. Not emotionally. And we end up with less Romney/Rubios acting like Democrats.


38 posted on 02/16/2013 7:48:40 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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