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To: trebb

And herein lies the problem with you and those that think like you. First off, the opposite of purity is corruption so of you think you score points by driving people away from, rather toward an ideal, you need to admit a philosophy other than right wing conservatism.

Second, you can wrap a total sellout of TEA/Conservative/AMERICAN and Constitutional ideals in whatever Dior/Gucci BS you want. Rubio approves of some version of the DREAM act. That is not arguable by anyone dealing in the truth. That little detail of his goes against not only the above, byt slaps millions of past and future legal immigrants in the face.

As stated earlier. One hardcore conservative wannabee was all for and specifically stated that moderating our collective abortion stance to big tent the party and attract moderates was in fact, a good and desirable thing...before the Lord thy Mod did crank the generators.

Several more are saying openly that we have to go left and be more centrist. Do any of you have clue one as to what FR, much less Conservatism about?

So please. Join the ranks of people that make excuses for illegals and help push the already left-sprinting GOP closer by the day to becoming admitted democrats.

But first, please list all the issues you ‘feel’ that we need to back off on. I am sure the conservative purists such as myself here would love to hear what else we are wrong about.


33 posted on 02/15/2013 4:24:37 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Nice rant - You assume I agree with Rubio’s stance on illegals (I don’t) and base your whole tirade on it. I merely pointed out that we will never find a suitable candidate for exactly the reasons that you demonstrated in your screed - litmus test issues that weigh more than anything else will ensure we continue to eat our own.


34 posted on 02/15/2013 5:35:43 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Several more are saying openly that we have to go left and be more centrist. Do any of you have clue one as to what FR, much less Conservatism about? So please. Join the ranks of people that make excuses for illegals and help push the already left-sprinting GOP closer by the day to becoming admitted democrats. But first, please list all the issues you ‘feel’ that we need to back off on. I am sure the conservative purists such as myself here would love to hear what else we are wrong about.

You continue to miss the point - I am NOT for illegals. I would push them all back over the border and start a shoot-on-sight program if i had the power. My ppoint is, as you keep helping to make, that there is no single candidate that will pass muster for today's conservatives. You have a loathing of illegals and that will keep you from voting for anyone who who has ever uttered a word about going easy on them. Others have their own key issues and will vilify candidates that have ever done anything but go balls-to-the wall-against the issues that turn their cranks. In short, the fact that Reagan amnestied illegals when he was President means that even he would not have a shot today. Who do you propose as the 100%, all-around, never had a slightly liberal/libertarian though in his/her life, candidate that will make not just you, but ALL conservatives happy enough to get us to rally enough votes to stop the destruction of allowing even more poisonous Dims to hold the reins?

I'm trying to be pragmatic and am searching for a ray of hope. You seem to be prepared to allow Obama a third term unless some candidate than can use mental waves to vaporize illegals appears - then he will have some issue that will turn other conservatives off.

Instead of trying to B-slap me for endorsing something I don't, how about trying to figure out how we can find someone who we can all stand behind. If we don't define it early enough to be able to explore the problems that will arise due to a less than 100% conservative purity, and then try to figure out what will be acceptable, we will continue to eat our own and further enable the Left who wants so desperately to finish the destruction.

36 posted on 02/16/2013 3:40:35 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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