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To: OneWingedShark
You're making the assumption that whatever the police do is legitimate,)

Is that so? Maybe you would like to remove your foot from you rmouth before you choke.

To: driftdiver

cops shooting at little old ladies delivering newspapers are also giving up their right of due process?

No dummy, the old ladies didn't fire on the cops, did they? The cops involved should be fired and be held criminally and financially responsible, IMO.

236 posted on Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:43:33 PM by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 233 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

When you open fire on police you've made a conscious decision to surrender your right to due process. So in case you forget, when you are stopped for any infraction of the law, don't open fire on the officer or he may take it as a sign that you are attempting to kill him and he'll return fire.

572 posted on 02/15/2013 11:53:59 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
>>You're making the assumption that whatever the police do is legitimate,)
>
>Is that so? Maybe you would like to remove your foot from you rmouth before you choke.

Yes, you are. You say you aren't, but you do not acknowledge that there are times when a citizen's firing on a police officer is justified.
You make the police both of less responsibility and less accountability than you would your fellow citizen: why?

When you open fire on police you've made a conscious decision to surrender your right to due process.

No, you do not. That's as stupid as saying "because there were accusations of child molestation at Koresh's Branch Davidian that fully indemnifies the ATF and DOJ from their actions, justifying their use of force for alleged taxation issues."

IOW -- YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE NECESSARY FORCE, INCLUDING DEADLY FORCE, TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND OTHERS.

So in case you forget, when you are stopped for any infraction of the law, don't open fire on the officer or he may take it as a sign that you are attempting to kill him and he'll return fire.

Ah, so just because I'm stopped means I'm going to shoot him. That's really, really... silly. Of course what about the other way:
Imagine you're at home and see a police officer on your property, in your drive way peering into your vehicle. You exit the home and approach asking what he's doing, he tells you it's none of your business, and to go back inside. You tell him that he's on your property and you want to know his business there. He persists in intimidation, placing his hand on his firearm and telling you to get inside.

The above happened to my own mother. No explanation, no warrant. Departing from the historic, let's enter the hypothetical:
Would she be a lawbreaker for (a) shooting him then and there, or (b) threatening him with force if he refused to leave?

575 posted on 02/15/2013 12:15:54 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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