Posted on 02/14/2013 6:21:43 AM PST by KeyLargo
Edited on 02/14/2013 9:25:10 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Yeah, asking the owner if anyone is in the cabin is not really “due diligence” on the part of the officers. Obviously, the owner didn’t know Dorner was in his cabin until he saw it on tv, or the police called him. So, how the heck would he know if anyone else was in there with Dorner?
Pretty much!
Of course, asking Dorner wouldn’t have yielded much better either.
“You got anyone in there?”
“Yeah! Me, the Pumpkin King, and the Tollhouse Cookie elves!”
“He’s got cookie elves!”
Listen, I’m not going to go off half-cocked on this. If law enforcement knocks on my door asking me to give up any weapons, I’ll tell them to come back with a warrant.
If they come back with a warrant, come on in. If they come back with a SWAT team at 3 AM because I told them to come back with a warrant, and they don’t announce themselves when I come to the door, then I’ll assume some reprobate is on the other side of my door at 3 AM.
You don’t break down peaceful citizens’ doors in the early morning hours and expect to not get shot at in my neck of the woods.
I hope they did.
"not in some firefight."
Gunfire was exchanged and officers were killed/wounded at the scene. It was a firefight sure enough. Just because they happened to roast him at the end of it doesn't mean a firefight didn't take place.
"The officers seemed determined to execute him."
Execute him? Should they simply have lined up to be shot? He started this whole thing and got what he had coming. You do realize that police officers have the right to self-defense as well? He was not executed.
"I've seen posts concerned with the rule of law, not Dornan."
Some people cry 'unconstitutional!' every time a cop unholsters his weapon. In many cases there are legitimate reasons to question what happened. This case is pretty clear cut; Dorner got what he had coming. The police have a duty to maintain public safety, and knocking off a lunatic on a killing spree fits that job description pretty well.
Sadly they really did not want to, under any circumstances take him alive.
They would have nuked the place from orbit to keep him off the witness stand.
(Insert the old chestnut about cockroaches and sunlight here)
IOW... They didn't need to execute him. This was revenge and has no place in law enforcement.
Dorner needed to die. He needed to spend some time on death row and then an ignominious end by lethal injection.
I tend to agree - the intent was to dispense teargas, so the fire was a byproduct. They're technically telling the truth.
But, even if the intent was to burn him out - what was the alternative? Wait until he killed a few more law officers or citizens? They didn't know what kind of fire power he had. Suppose he'd had some RPGs or SAMs and launched one or more before he could be stopped? The weeping and gnashing of teeth would then have been why didn't the police do something sooner!
If "we the people" stop supporting our police forces and armed services personnel, why should they continue to put their lives on the line for us???
It's for THAT reason that all of us God-loving, patriotic Americans need to go out of our way to thank those who truly serve us.
Yet he didn't kill the couple in the cabin.
He didn't kill the guy whose truck he stole.
He potentially could have escaped had he, and he took the risk of them escaping or talking after he told them to walk away.
Not saying innocents couldn't have been killed by him in the future, but I do note that the only civilians not directly connected to the police who were injured and/or put in mortal peril were a couple hispanic ladies delivering newspapers and a surfer dude.
And it wasn't Dorner that shot them from behind with no warning, or t-boned a truck and filled it with lead.
Not if you are LAPD...
Yeah, sure maintained the sh*t out of the safety of those people they shot up in those pick up trucks that weren't even matching the description of the one dorner was driving.
I guess the big complaint I have here is that I didn't have anyone to root against. You had a vengeful killer versus a bunch of criminal gang bangers. At least pro wrastlin' has a clearly defined person you can be against.
For clarification..when I say ‘property rights’ , I am not just describing ‘real estate’. Private property means your income, your personal property, your guns, etc.
In this instance however, I was concerned with the police torching private property , as in real estate, as a first option after the dude holed up there. Also concerned if the police deliberately burned the perp out without any effort at due process. We might just have to agree to disagree until the facts are known (if they ever truly ARE known).
I have and will continue to have my opinions verified, challenged, changed and shaped by my fellow FReeper Patriots and that is why I love this place!
I'm given to understand that the LAPD helicoptered in their SWAT team.
Perhaps they thought it was proper to take out their own trash.
Perhaps the wanted to insure Dorner never got to sit on a witness stand.
In any event according to the police scanners they burned the cabin down "AS PLANNED".
The plan was made before they even got there to assess the situation for themselves.
“Of course, asking Dorner wouldn’t have yielded much better either.”
No, probably not, but they could have taken other steps to make sure he was the only one they were lighting on fire. Get the thermal imaging equipment down there to check the building, for example.
The last straw was the last man Django Dorner killed. He still could have left the cabin alive he wanted to. Good riddance!
Yeah, read the scanner snippets, saw that come across the forum.
If it was LAPD, they wanted the guy bad.
Probably after all the ridicule they suffered for ramming a Honda Ridgeline AFTER talking to the skinny white driver.
Would be interesting to know the real deal with Badguy LAPD and Badguy Dorner.
We’ll never hear it though.
Is the issue of whether Dorner was shooting from the cabin in dispute? If not, why the concern about “due process?” Neither Due Process Clause prevents the police from putting an end to it. In other words, there is no constitutional requirement that the police stay put and wait it out.
First option? They shot at him, tear-gassed him and sent in an armored vehicle to try and knock the building down before launching the CS cannisters.
Once again, the longer the siege wore on, the greater the chance that another Deputy could get shot. The fire ended it.
Me, I would have pumped the place ful of tear gas, pepper bombs, and brought in one of those tracked robots and sent it in with a plate of brownies and a note reading something rude.
Oh, and then the teletubbies tunes would have started playing on loudpseakers aimed at the building.
But I’m a sick SOB like that who would have gone the length to drag that out and torment the guy until he gave up or offed himself.
Heck, maybe even throw some really awful smelling stuff in a box and have the robot bring that in too.
Even if they couldn't get him out right away, he wasn't going anywhere. Even if he had gas masks, they would be useless within 1-2 days.
Also, how did they know nobody else was inside?
There need to be firings and charges brought over it at the least.
That's what should happen. I'd bet $5 that they are all exonerated and reinstated. Further, at least 4 of them will be promoted in the next year or so.
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