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To: Mr Rogers

So it’s possible he could have given consent for his mother to fill out the paperwork for him? What I am getting at is that we can’t rule out that his mother and Lolo could have taken him to a embassy/consulate and told little Obama on the side to renounce his citizenship. At that age, Obama would have listened to his parents. Lolo could have set it up. He or Obama’s mother could have had contacts there for all we know. After all, Obama’s mother is documented as wanting to stay in Indonesia indefinitely with her new husband. Again, none of this can be ruled out.


64 posted on 02/14/2013 9:35:53 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

A Certificate of Loss of Nationality would have been issued and it would be available for release under a Freedom of Information Act request.

The Certificate of Loss of Nationality (CLN) is a form of the Bureau of Consular Affairs of the United States Department of State which is completed by American citizens seeking renunciation of citizenship. The form is prescribed by the Secretary of State under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.
In order for a renunciation of citizenship to be proper, three criteria must be met:
The citizen has unequivocally admitted in writing an intent to lose U.S. citizenship.
The renunciation was made at a U.S. diplomatic office outside the U.S. and before a U.S. diplomatic officer.
The renunciation must be made voluntarily. Grounds for arguing that renunciation was not voluntary are financial hardship (e.g., the need to get a job in another country) or family pressure.
Alternatively, the State Department may argue that U.S. citizenship has been surrendered due to the person making an oath of allegiance to a foreign state voluntarily and with the intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship, such that:
The person has signed an oath of allegiance to the foreign state, renouncing allegiance to all other states.
The person is clear that they know exactly what they are doing.

CLNs are issued at a U.S. embassy and citizens who receive a CLN surrender their United States passport. In order to be successful, renunciations must meet all criteria and be sworn by official witnesses to have occurred.

Case law shows that in order to avoid legal complications it is vital to obtain a CLN and not just meet the criteria.


67 posted on 02/14/2013 9:54:49 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

No, they could not. At 6 or 8 or 10, you cannot sign contracts. You can not fill out paperwork knowingly rejecting US citizenship.

If you want to spend the rest of your life searching for paperwork filed with the State Dept, where Obama at age 7 rejected his US citizenship, good luck! But if you ever find any, no court will uphold it.

Do you have kids? Can a 10 year old sign a binding contract on his own behalf?


70 posted on 02/14/2013 9:55:32 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter; Mr Rogers

From the FOIA request it has been shown that Obama’s mother continously renewed her passport from 1965 until the 1980’s. So she never gave up her own US citzenship. So why would she give up her son’s US citzenship?


77 posted on 02/14/2013 10:42:04 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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