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To: Mr Rogers

“Yes, someone who deliberately gives up US citizenship CAN do so.”

A native born U.S. Citizen with two U.S. Citizen parents CANNOT be issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality unless they show they have naturalized or otherwise acquired citizenship in another country. The U.S. has bilateral treaties with many nations and with the U.N. where the U.S agrees it will not leave a former citizen stateless.

A native born citizen with two U.S. Citizen parents must obtain citizenship or demonstrate the ability to naturalize in a foreign country in the near term or they will not be issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. This is why only a Natural Born Citizen can be POTUS. A Natural born citizen is a U.S. Citizen at birth with two U.S. Citizen parents.

A U.S. Citizen at birth with one U.S. Citizen parent and one foreign national parent can be issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality if the SoS determines the dual citizen has conducted themselves in a manner to indicate by a preponderance of the evidence the individual has renounced their U.S. Citizenship. See Vance v. Terrazas (1980); SCOTUS.

In Obama’s case, his mother notified the State Department she and Barry planned to stay in Indonesia indefinitely on her passport renewal. The State Department doesn’t ask for a return date because they have idle curiosity. The State Department was determining intent to maintain U.S. Citizenship.

Furthermore, Obama’s mother amended her passport renewal in 1967 to notify the State Department a family member previously included on her passport would have to be removed because he had naturalized in a foreign state. Obama’s Indonesian school record, dated Jan 01, 1968 is further prove Obama naturalized in Indonesia.

SoS Dean Rusk had all the necessary information he needed to justify issuing Obama a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in 1968. SoS Rusk could not have issued Obama a Certificate of Loss of Nationality if it would have left Obama stateless.


27 posted on 02/13/2013 6:37:41 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: SvenMagnussen

No child can lose US citizenship by the actions of their parents. See:

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/307/325/case.html

It takes a lot of work, even as an adult, to lose US citizenship. Barry spending a few years in Indonesia as a kid does not, in any way, rob him of full US citizenship.


32 posted on 02/13/2013 8:11:32 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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