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To: JohnPDuncan

“We will not accept any more fake conservatives”

You will not accept any REAL conservatives either, because libertarianism and conservatism are DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES. Guess what? We’re not approving homo-marriage or most of the other quack ideas.

While we both agree that our country’s fiscal policy needs to be radically overhauled, conservatives have a commitment to restoring basic decency in America.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

That’s John Adams. Since we are clearly no longer a moral or religious people (Obama was voted for TWICE), your libertarian society cannot adequately serve the people. Conservatism argues that the more morality we have in America, the closer we will be to the true vision of the Founders.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 3:29:17 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Homo-marriage and the quack ideas should be left to the states, under the 10th amendment of the constitution.


20 posted on 02/09/2013 3:33:15 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Viennacon

“Conservatism argues that the more morality we have in America, the closer we will be to the true vision of the Founders.”

We had plenty of immoral founders. About as many as we have today. Just read an Adams bio.

Libertarianism? Sure. They didn’t want the government telling them how to live their lives. I don’t either.

If someone wants to be a drunk, their body, their call. I will choose differently.
Drugs? Their body, their call. I will choose differently.
Legislate what happens in the privacy of someone’s bedroom? Sorry, not interested.


29 posted on 02/09/2013 3:42:15 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Viennacon

You are correct, they are different philosophies. (L) believe in the Liberty brought about by the Constitution, (C) believe in the status-qua (defined as: disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change).

By their own brand, they are not trying, nor willing, to roll back, but to keep static. Let’s say they were wanting to roll back...to what/when?

Nobody, since Reagan, has done more than pay lip service to the Constitution, let alone Liberty and Freedom. It was Nixon who foisted the EPA, W. Bush who expanded Eduction and Medicare. That is NOT Conservative.

You mention a moral and religious people. The same church that is willing to allow gay marriage; against their own dogma? The same people who, just recently, are voicing support to ‘save’ SS and Medicare; both known Ponzi schemes that rob Peter to pay Paul? The same people that make deals in smoke-filled back rooms and force these Laws upon its Citizens?? THAT Conservative?

Gov’t was not created to SERVE the People. It is there to defend the borders, make treaties/war and most importantly guarantee that OUR Rights, Liberty and Freedom are not infringed. It’s the Dem, with the help of the GOP/Conservatives, that have flipped the Constitution on its head.

Basic decency does not come from the threat of incarceration or from the end of a gun (as gov’t is ‘Lawful’ force); as much as charity comes from gov’t giving away taxpayer $$.

The (L) party has never had ‘power’ representation in Congress. Even Dr. Paul was roundly ostracized by the GOP/Conservatives in Congress. They were not the only ones not wishing to ‘rock the boat’ or have the Public’s prying eyes upon their misdeeds.

Cast the stones in your own glass house before berating us of the (L) bend.


45 posted on 02/09/2013 3:55:30 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: Viennacon
Thank you. This is a conservative site, not a libertarian one. Conservative also means, socially conservative. In fact, it's not conservative at all without the social conservatives. I will never support anyone who supports baby murder and sodomite "marriage", or sodomites in the military. Never.
56 posted on 02/09/2013 4:19:56 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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