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To: Tublecane
That canard goes back before sophisticated aerial warfare (Sherman, for instance), only gained steam after it became easier to strike from a distance, and has always been thin as tissue paper.

I can tell you this, when going into combat in Panama and the 1st Gulf War, we were SPECIFICALLY instructed to not fire upon anyone or anything that didn't have a weapon - PERIOD! We had a Marine who accidentally hit a camel with his HUMVEE (camel ran in front of the vehicle), yet the Marine was put under house arrest for an investigation for destroying personal property. THAT IS US POLICY!

Look John Kerry, I am not saying that the US has NEVER considered collateral damage as expendable (to send a message or other - Hiroshima is a good example - a military and industrial center with enough population to send a message). What I am saying is that contrary to your BS, killing innocents is not the normal, everyday tactical strategy of the US Military (My Lai is a good example, as there was NO strategic or necessary advantage to MURDERING those 300+ innocents).

If we didn't care about collateral damage, we would just literally bomb every city into submission - but that hasn't happened! Not in Afghanistan and not in Iraq!
25 posted on 02/05/2013 11:29:44 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine

Rules of engagement fir ground troops is off topic. I remarked on our double standards for air as opposed to ground forces. For some reason the fact that you don’t have to look your victims in the eye turns murder into mere collateral damage. There isn’t any other means of explaining your condemnation of My Lai’s 300 or so deaths in caps in light of how you all but elide Hiroshima and its tens of thousands, maybe more than 100 thousand, deaths. Either it’s hypocrisy, or there’s some insane distinction I’ve not been told about.

I don’t get what you’re trying to say about the US never considering collateral innocents expendable, then saying Hiroshima’s population was big enough to sens a message. Well, which one was it? Do we not kill civilians on purpose, or do we kill civilians to send a message? I didn’t think it was possible still not to have learner, but the allies’ major aerial campaigns against the axis homelands were terror bombings. There isn’t any way to call it “strategic” bombing unless the strategy was to scare Germany and Japan by killing a lot of civilians.


30 posted on 02/05/2013 4:41:33 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: ExTxMarine

“If we didn’t care about collateral damage...we would just literally bomb every city into submission”

No we wouldn’t. Unless you’re Genghis Kahn, and maybe not even him, you don’t go to war for the sake of wreaking the most destruction possible. Were that the case we’d have carpet bombed every enemy nation in every war with nukes since 1945. But we haven’t, because we fight wars with ends other than annihilation in mind.

The goal in Iraq and Afghanistan was to replace existing governments with new, fruendlier ones. Though it doesn’t seem to matter as much in medieval Afghanistan, bombing them out of civilization wouldn’t have prepared the ground well for PRO-US gubmints. There’s also public and world opinion to consider.


31 posted on 02/05/2013 4:50:54 PM PST by Tublecane
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