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To: BlackElk
Your posts amply demonstrate that you and I do not belong in the same political party. I am not an enthusiast for "economic conservatism" whatever that may be. I am willing to be in a coalition with "economic conservatives" so long as they understand their place (a very narrow one) in the conservative movement. Mindless materialism is NOT conservative...

You're correct. The political right is not any more homogeneous in its beliefs and priorites than the left is homogeneous. You have both radical feminists and radical Muslims supporting Obama - go figure.

I absolutely refuse to belong to any "conservative" movement that would tolerate abortion, fudgepackerism posing as "marriage," paleopeacecreepism or elevate bordermania to the level that you do.

I similarly can't tolerate "conservatism" that embraces multiculturalism and transforms America into a third world country in the name of pandering for some (largely imaginary) votes in the barrio.

You might want to spend less time in our "border areas" if Mexicans are so scary to you. Maybe you would like to move to Finland. The climate in Finland leaves a lot to be desired but at least Finland is relatively homogeneous if more socialistic (a real test of your priorities) in its population which should make you more comfortable.

Actually, if current demographic trends continue, I may consider moving abroad. I prefer the company of educated and civilized people to thugs and low-life. Forgive me for that character flaw.

Incidentally, if "fudgepackers" are so scary to you, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia where they're stoned to death or beheaded 9or whatever it is that they do). Come to think of it, if fretting over other people's sex lives is so important a political issue, I don't understand your hatred of radical Islam. Their social views are very much like yours. If I were simply a "mindless materialist," then I might be an open borders enthusiast on the grounds that cheap illegal immigrant labor is good for business (ignoring the social costs that unassimilable illegal immigrants bring). I'd rather pay an extra 25 cents for a head of lettuce or a box of strawberries than have an America that looks more like a Guadalajara slum.

You forgot to mention the Atzlan fantasy. Of course, before Atzlan can become a reality (which it never will), the Atlan enthusiasts will have to overcome the Texas Rangers, the National Guard, the US military and private citizens with 300 million guns in private hands. As Admiral Yamamoto told Tojo, invasion of the US is impossible. There is a gun behind every blade of grass!

So where does that put your paranoid delusion of big bad Muslims taking over America and imposing sharia law? If Mexicans composing 15% of the population don't have the power take over, surely Muslims that make up 1% of the population are equally incapable. That means that the trillions we spend fighting them abroad has little or nothing to do with "defending" America.

Furthermore, you seem to have missed my point about the reoconquista. The southwestern US is turning into Mexico not because of their guns, but because of their feet (crossing the border) and their sky-high fertility. What Pancho Villa couldn't do with the gun, his heirs are accomplishing through "peaceful" means.

78 posted on 02/12/2013 8:25:16 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck
Well, I am glad we got those things straightened out. I look forward to your departure for more "civilized" and "educated" company. Perhaps that will be far, far from the USA. Would you consider taking the fudgepackers and abortionists with you. Why should they continue suffering in our poor benighted land? Many of them are "educated" and (in their own hallucinations) "civilized." In case I don't hear in advance of your impending departure, bon voyage!

I am rather a barbarian myself, a confirmed straight, but I do have a doctorate.

Fudgepackers? Scary? Not likely since they would bring a purse to a gunfight. Even Saudi Arabia is not always wrong. Like Ron Paul ...stopped clock ...twice a day, etc.

I did not miss your point about the "reconquista." The southwest is no more being conquered by Latinos than New York City has been conquered by successive waves of Irish, Italians, Eastern European Jews, Puerto Ricans and others. Whatever its political heresies, New York City is the quintessential American city BECAUSE of, not in spite of, its welcome mat for immigrants.

I suspect that you are resentful that the Latino vote is being noticed as the Homecoming Queen and you are feeling increasingly like a wallflower. Poooooooor baby! Demographics are destiny. Low birthrates equal creeping irrelevancy.

Difference between Muslims and Mexicans? Muslims contain a number of very determined and disciplined people who are verrry committed to creating a worldwide caliphate. People who take a casual libertoonian attitude as to 55+ million surgically sliced, diced and hamburgerized babies and to fudgepacking as an allowable way of life are people who probably fail to apprehend the potential of religious solidarity to make a movement viable. Try and find an abortion mill in Saudi Arabia or in Pakistan or in Afghanistan or in Iraq or Iran. Ask the "religious police" for directions but make sure your will is in order and kept in a safe place outside the country where you have decided to be executed.

The Mexicans are more likely attached to a laid back lifestyle of manana. A few beers, some Tequila, some good food, some ethnic music and dance, good companionship, and coherent social views, an opportunity for well-paid work and, perhaps, to start businesses of their own. They have no desire to force you to eat tacos or to strike pinatas or to use castinets or to drink tequila. Genuine libertarians can recognize that this is one of those live and let live situations with the Mexicans as it can never be with the abortionists, the fudgepackers or with those obsessed with establishing a world-wide caliphate under Sharia Law. Mexicans are notably reluctant to hijack American airliners and fly them into our Pentagon or prominent office buildings and to attempt to do the same to the US Capitol.

We can even compromise with the Mexicans by giving them California. Pete Wilson's stupidity permanently ruined previously Republican California as to politics. By making California an independent Republic, we could get rid of Feinstein and Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer, a hideously Demonratic legislature, and the quadrennial 50+ electoral votes that, courtesy of Pete Wilson, are now firmly Demonrat, all in one fell swoop. We would get rid of the University of California at Berserkly, one of the country's worst edjumakashunal systems (statewide chain of indoctrination centers, collectively P.S. 666), San Fransicko, Marin County and so many other residential centers of airheads. Hollywood would no longer have any claim to be "American" at all (probably make Hollywood happier too). This scheme might justify strict border enforcement less California voters escape the mess they have made.

You know as well as I do that "demographic trends" are going to continue. Not unlike our European cousins, all too Americans, ethnic or Anglo, have gotten too lazy or indifferent or materialistic or whatever to have children at all or more than one or two. To the extent that we are capable of having children, it is obviously up to each of us to do what seems necessary to conceive them or not as we individually see fit.

OTOH, decisions have consequences. There are folks all over Europe complaining (through their own disappearing birth rates that their nations are being taken over by Muslim immigrants. The childless have little standing to insist on what the demographics of their homelands will look like in the future unless they are voting for, say, England to be under that future caliphate. The Israelis are resisting such trends more robustly and are having some difficulty with the effort.

The only effective way of preserving a recognizably Anglo society here is for our indigenous population to have a lot more children. There are those, starting with the Margaret Sangers, who regard that as a not so "educated" and not so "civilized" solution. I disagree with them.

In any event, there are 11 to 25 million "illegals" here. They aren't going anywhere. People who don't like it can fantasize about a nation without Mexicans other than Mexicans with medical degrees or engineering doctorates or high tech capabilities but that's just fantasy. Practical conservatives will treat Mexicans as quite welcome here and regard them as fellow children of God to be wooed and won.

Now, the hard core of the resentful neo-Know Nothings can help make it impossible to woo the Mexicans and soooooo offend them that they become as Demonratic as the blacks are already. The resentful will then feel good and all morally superior and all but not one Mexican goes back as a result of the misbehavior of the rude nativist boors, and the Mexicans vote Demonrat out of understandable resistance to being treated as less than human by the resentful nativists. This is the very sort of Republican "genius" that guaranteed that generations of Irish and Italians and Poles and Eastern European Jews would vote reflexively Demonrat. Take a swig of that old "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion" nonsense. Political effectiveness is NOT about insulting entire groups of people and willfully alienating them. To get Romney comfortable enough to attend a Mexican festival, he would have needed a week of lessons in how to eat a taco.

It is not for nothing that the GOP (except under Reagan) has been persistently known as "the stupid party."

81 posted on 02/13/2013 7:23:56 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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