History provides very few examples in the US where such views have prevailed. The Trail of Tears immediately comes to mind and the treatment of Indian tribes generally. The successful suppression of the Indian tribes is NOT a source of pride. The unsuccessful attempts to resist: the Yellow Peril, the immigration of Eastern European Jews, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and now Mexicans and Central Americans are sources of shame.
Margaret Sanger would have claimed hot to care what others did with their genitals but she cared verrrrry much to try and stifle the fertility of others and often used fictional examples of "Sadie" from Brooklyn (guess which group that would be?) as an example of a woman who needed to no longer reproduce. Margaret did not want many genitals to produce, well, babies. You are expressing an awful lot of concern over the genital activity of barrio teenagers and their resistance to either birth control or abortion. To better understand Margaret Sanger's shame, read her various books and those of her ideological buddies: Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard, Ph.d. Stoddard's The Rising Tide of color is a particularly despicable sample of their views. Note, I am NOT accusing you of agreeing with them but it is their sloppy thinking that has led to 55+ million slaughtered to date. Planned Barrenhood's BGoard of Directors included for many decades Peggy (Mrs. Barry) Goldwater (1940-1975) and Dorothy Walker Bush (Mrs. Prescott Bush, mother of GHWB and granny of GWB). She served even longer than Peggy Goldwater.
If you are part of the 53% who still pay income taxes in the teeth of this depression, thank God for your good fortune in life rather than begrudging others.
"The Mexicans are coming!!! The Mexicans are coming!!! and not all of them are investment bankers protecting Mufficita's trust fund." What a sad fellow you must be! Life of the party, huh???
Mariano Rivera (greatest relief pitcher who ever lived, ever has lived, and ever will live) grew up in a tin roofed shanty in Latin America. He makes $15 million a year and has earned every penny. How much more than Mariano Rivera are you earning?
In 2012, we nominated for POTUS a very qualified businessman and utterly clueless excuse for a candidate. How did Mittler do with the Ebenezer Scrooge act?
The Declaration of Independence advocated for "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The constitution's 5th and 14th Amendments guarantee the rights to "life, liberty and property." Neither is a guarantee of Muffie's trust fund. Ask Chief Justice John Roberts who ruled that even a tax not denominated as a tax and denied to be a tax is still a tax and therefore constitutionally a power of Congress. I am not fond of that Obozocare ruling but, at least, unlike Roe vs. Wade, Chief Justice Roberts had some naked constitutional excuse for his ruling. He did not make it up out of whole cloth like Herod Blackmun and six of his shameless colleagues and 55 million innocents (and counting) will not be sliced, diced and hamburgerized by the ruling of Roberts.
As you will no doubt learn if you manage to avoid the dreaded ZOT!, ribbing newbies for being newbies is a good-natured form of fraternity hazing around here. Lighten up, Francis! The longer you post here and participate in the give and take, the better you will understand JimRob's community and the better you are able to gauge whether you want to be part of it. That is a remark about procedure. You will find numerous people here who agree with you and numerous people who disagree with you and some who agree in part and disagree in part.
You are not a special moral authority here nor am I. The disagreements here are often quite robust and sometimes messy. The longer you manage to stay, the better you will understand. This is always JimRob's living room and he makes the rules. We call that private property rights and we are mere guests here.
This is one line of argument about illegal immigrants that I just don't understand, i.e. "they're here, so we better learn to live with them, we can't deport them." That's the logical equivalent of: "Laws or no laws, theft happens, no sense in punishing the perpetrators."
On another thread, somebody was asking why small children who are brought over illegally by their parents should be "punished" by deportation if they didn't make the decision. Equivalently, you might say that you can't confiscate a thief's property because, after all, the loss of wealth hurts his children, who weren't responsible for the crime. And doesn't incarcerating the thief also harm his innocent children? Perhaps we shouldn't incarcerate people who happen to be parents while we're at it, since deporting them is beyond the pale.
Laws will never stop crime completely. That's not a reason not to have them or enforce them, including immigration laws.
You are expressing an awful lot of concern over the genital activity of barrio teenagers and their resistance to either birth control or abortion.
Because unlike non-reproductive sexual activity, this DOES have consequences on my well-being. Unwed teenage girls in the ghetto and barrio can't support them by themselves, so the rest of us have to pay for them. And when the kids grow up to be thugs and deadbeats, we pay for them in other ways.
You fret a lot about Americans not having enough children because of abortion and birth control (incidentally, abortion is comparatively rare among middle class Americans, who plan ahead to prevent pregnancy, it's really epidemic among the poor, especially blacks. So if you want to prevent abortions, you should be more supportive of pre-pregnancy birth control mesures), and seem to think that the only solution is to "replace" the "missing" Americans with Mexicans. I would say that it's the quality of children that's important, not the quantity. We are not suffering from underpopulation. What we do have is an increasingly high-tech, information based society, that runs the risk of being implemented by increasingly low-tech minds.
People in affluent societies have fewer children for obvious reasons - if your one or two kids will survive to adulthood almost surely, you don't need 10 more as an insurance policy. Nor do you need to produce a small army of farm hands in our type of economy. That allows parents to invest more resources in fewer, higher quality children than their counterparts in the third world or their forbears. I fail to see why you or anyone else sees this demographic shift as a problem (other than the temporary matter of social security, which is a political problem due to the fact that SS was run as Ponzi scheme rather than a Federal trust fund, not a demographic problem).
Moreover, the point I was make it is that I always found ironic how somebody so concerned with sexual morality seems to have no problem with a culture where pregnant unwed teenagers are the norm.
As you will no doubt learn if you manage to avoid the dreaded ZOT!, ribbing newbies for being newbies is a good-natured form of fraternity hazing around here. Lighten up, Francis! The longer you post here and participate in the give and take, the better you will understand JimRob's community and the better you are able to gauge whether you want to be part of it. That is a remark about procedure. You will find numerous people here who agree with you and numerous people who disagree with you and some who agree in part and disagree in part.
You are not a special moral authority here nor am I. The disagreements here are often quite robust and sometimes messy. The longer you manage to stay, the better you will understand. This is always JimRob's living room and he makes the rules. We call that private property rights and we are mere guests here.
I agree entirely, and appreciate your goodwill in spite of our disagreements.
If I were simply a "mindless materialist," then I might be an open borders enthusiast on the grounds that cheap illegal immigrant labor is good for business (ignoring the social costs that unassimilable illegal immigrants bring). I'd rather pay an extra 25 cents for a head of lettuce or a box of strawberries than have an America that looks more like a Guadalajara slum.
...belongs in the first paragraph of my response. Somehow, it wound up in a completely out of place paragraph downstream.