Analysis: Dr. Phil attempts to unravel Tuiasosopo's role in Te'o saga

Sound Bend Tribune ^ | Jan. 31, 2013 | Eric Hansen

[Elsie]

Why, if you could just talk to Joseph Smith now -- and actually were able to get the "straight scoop" from him re: Mormonism --

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Well; history HAS recorded his words; as well as his contemporaries on a LOT of things.

Want to read some of them??

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

Nothing like the credibility of Dr.Phil . . . a big tall, overweight psychologist who sells diet books and gets away with it.

So true!

We have books to GIVE away!!

[Elsie]

I bet liberal heads were exploding. I thought all gays were "born that way" and had a "gay gene" and could never change!

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That's because they have no idea what the BIBLE says!!

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

      More?

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

[Elsie]

Te’o lied even after he found out the truth.

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MOM!!!

You have GOT to believe me THIS time!

I was out in the woods - yeah;

and I was running for home - yeah...

and then I came upon this two, uh two; uh... PERSONAGES!! _yeah; that's it...

And they told me...

BOY!

I've had enOUGH of your lies for one day. Do your chores NOW or get a GOOD thrashing!!!

[Elsie]

You're a despicable bigot.

I hate when that attitude shows up; especially here on FR; where most all kinds of views are permitted...

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[Elsie]

Show me where I said it was “OK”.

Show me BIGOT!!

[Elsie]

I just wondered how some Notre Dame football player’s imaginary girlfriend could be blamed on the Mormons.

Stay tuned...

[Elsie]

Oh; you guys give as good as you get; but let's NOT let this juicy thread about a fellow who's been deceived by the LIES of the heresy MORMONism get turned into yet another C vs P thread.

(Watch for that MORMON tactic to appear soon...)

[Elsie]

We have books to GIVE away!!

MAybe so; but do NOT be expecting to find any of our most precious doctrines and practices in it.

They are tucked away in OTHER Scriptures we hold dear!

[D-fendr]

this juicy thread about a fellow who's been deceived by the LIES of the heresy MORMONism

Nothin' about that in the article, which I think is the point of the poster I replied to. The need to make it so appears like an obsession or fixation - and not a healthy one.

[presently no screen name]

Found another way to bash Mormons,eh? You're a despicable bigot.

Wow! Such anger! Seems you are a follower of Mormonism - is that correct? Whatever you are, an apology to Colofornian is in order.

[Elsie]

Nothin' about that in the article,

Maybe not; but the info IS available; and it can pretty well explain some of "this juicy thread about a fellow"'s actions.

[Elsie]

The need to make it so appears like an obsession or fixation - and not a healthy one.

Oh?

I merely bring out the EVIDENCE.

People can form their OWN opinion as to whether it fits.

I'm sure you are not against more INFO being provided; right?

[Elsie]

Seems you are a follower of Mormonism - is that correct?

Just why do you hateful ANTI's seem to think that any pure soul who detects bigotry towards MORMONism is neccessarily a MORMON?

If you wuzn't such a bigot; you could see the hatefulness of your position.

MORMONs have never done nuttin' to NOBODY!

--MormonDude(When would be a good time for a couple of our well trained young folks to come to your humble home and speak to you and your loving family about the Restored Gospel®?)

[Hoodat]

Good grief, could all you anti-mormonism bigots please give it a rest?

[Hoodat]

Did you ever consider for a moment that Te’o is gay? The whole fake girlfriend story was a front.

[D-fendr]

Your posts on this thread - and many others - look like Quix on steroids. It's obsessive repetitive spam.

Take a long and reflective look yourself and ask if this is effective or healthy. Whatever your rationalization, I'm not going to encourage it.

Pax tecum.

[D-fendr]

>>>The whole fake girlfriend story was a front.

That’s a possibility. But, I don’t think it was knowingly a front. He may have used “her” for this without knowing it was a fake.

[Elsie]

Good grief, could all you anti-mormonism bigots please give it a rest?

Yeah!!

What he said!

We can barely get on a porch these days without the folks there already knowing what we're up to!

[Elsie]

Your posts on this thread - and many others - look like Quix on steroids. It's obsessive repetitive spam.

Ma'am; we ONLY do this 6 days a week; for about a year.

Then we go back to a normal life. (As normal as it gets for a MORMON.)