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1 posted on 01/29/2013 7:38:16 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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Yea, right.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 7:39:24 PM PST by doc1019
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“”I think that fairness is very important in a values-based organization like our Army.””

Is this a joke?


3 posted on 01/29/2013 7:39:35 PM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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How about you dimwitted generals worry about combat effectiveness. This is not it.


6 posted on 01/29/2013 7:44:34 PM PST by Red Steel
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Women soldiers used in front-line offensive combat operations just don’t cut it.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 7:48:07 PM PST by Red Steel
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"Some fear that this decision will lower standards in our military. That is simply not the case. The services will carefully examine current standards to ensure we have them right, taking into consideration lessons learned from a decade of war and changes in equipment, tactics and technology.

Right. In other words they will determine that the current standards are no longer necessary and they will lower them so that women will be able to qualify. Hence, making them the same for men and women.

8 posted on 01/29/2013 7:50:10 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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"I think that fairness is very important in a values-based organization like our Army."

Translation: Standards will be lowered across the board so that everyone feels better about themselves. Whether or not America will ever again win a war is irrelevant, as long as nobody's feelings are hurt.

Is this guy actually a career soldier? Did he draw the short straw in the Marxist Club in college and have to infiltrate the military to further their goals?

10 posted on 01/29/2013 7:54:42 PM PST by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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I sure hope our enemies on the battlefield are kind enough to comply with these rules.

13 posted on 01/29/2013 7:55:59 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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Does that mean that the women entering the infantry will have to meet the same minimums on the PT test as the men?

The minimum passing score in the Army in each category (pushups, situps, and the 2-mile run) is 60 points.

For a 20-year-old male, that’s 42 pushups. For a female, it’s 19.

The more common minimum acceptable score for infantry units is 70 points, with a strong push for 80 points. Which are 49 and 57 pushups, respectively.

There certainly are some women who can meet these standards, though not many. Will the women entering the infantry be held to the same standards as the men? Or will they be held to the lower, gender-specific standards?

In the case of an electronics tech, the gender-specific standards make some sense. In terms of general health and conditioning, the male and female standards represent roughly equivalent levels.

But when you’re dragging a wounded buddy out of an alley after an ambush, he doesn’t get lighter just because you’re a woman. In the infantry, objective, rather than relative, measures of performance are appropriate.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 7:56:38 PM PST by jdege
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"I think that fairness is very important in a values-based organization like our Army."

Ugh. Where is fairness suppose to fit into an organization in which the main function is to kill or die in order to protect the nation. With men like this running our military it's not really our military anymore is it? I mean these guys are paid to protect our way of life not transform it into somekind of Communist ideal. And the destruction of the natural differences between men and women and all peoples really is at the core of Communism, which itself is just a means to a end.

15 posted on 01/29/2013 7:56:42 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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So, with a stroke of the pen, we will overcome thousands of years of hardwired social/cultural/genetic programming and make everyone equal.

What's next? Pass a UCMJ regulation against gravity?

16 posted on 01/29/2013 7:57:40 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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then put them in ALL female companies/battalions and let them sink or swim on their own...
17 posted on 01/29/2013 7:58:56 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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No problem, people. We’ll just make a standard that lots of women can pass and make THAT the standard for both sexes. Then we’ll have infantry made up of women AND weak men! Mission accomplished!

(What mission? Why, turning our armed forces into a new Peace Corp, of course! Only with rifles and APCs!)


18 posted on 01/29/2013 8:00:55 PM PST by servo1969
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"Let me be clear: The standards will be gender-neutral -- the same for men and women. The burden of proof used to be 'why should a woman serve in a particular specialty?'" Dempsey added. "Now, it's 'why shouldn't a woman serve in a particular specialty?'"

Gender neutral = lower standards for all members. Great! The feminization of our Military has begun. How long before we have a military equivalent to France's???

21 posted on 01/29/2013 8:08:41 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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As long as their packs are the same weight and they take their turn humping the .60 cal.


22 posted on 01/29/2013 8:11:25 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Soylent Green is Boomers)
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Couldn’t resist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YouveComeALongWayBaby2.jpg


26 posted on 01/29/2013 8:16:40 PM PST by Bronzy
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First screening test using a live grenade:

Can the women candidates throw a hand grenade far enough to not be killed or wounded by the grenade?


27 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:18 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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So violence against women is values based? And they cried that the republicans were waging war on women, butdems are putting them women in war and hiding behind them.


28 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:48 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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the worst part of this horrendous decision is this....if a woman is allowed to be given a combat role, then she can, and will be ordered into one.....she, like every male in the military, will have to accept whatever position that she is ordered to fulfill.BAD IDEA.....of all the inane things coming out of the Obama administration, this is, by far, the worst.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 8:23:21 PM PST by terycarl
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Somebody mentioned in the past the Israelis tried combat roles for the gals
years ago and dropped it. When the Arabs captured one they would torture
her into screaming and the Israeli grunts went nuts and against orders tried
to save them. Men, other than moslem males that is, are hard wired that
way. The ambushes set up by the Arabs slaughtered them.
30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:26:06 PM PST by QT3.14 (Political Correctness: Intellectual AIDS - It sickens and kills everything it touches ~ Wm. Lind)
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Forgive me but our military leaders running the army talk like little PC pussies.


31 posted on 01/29/2013 8:28:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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