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To: verga; SoftballMominVA
I don't know this for sure but is it not also true that if and when a child is diagnosed with a disability, that child becomes eligible for monthly checks from Uncle Sugar---either SSI or SS Disability?

One thing that happens to public schools is that they are substantially more regulated than private schools and that those regulations cause substantial costs from school budgets without being truly educational costs?

Likewise, human nature (fallen human nature) leads people to blame everyone but themselves for what goes wrong with their own kids. While teachers in any kind of school have substantial responsibility for the academic success of the children they teach, the parents have the first teaching responsibility.

It is easier (all too easy) for the parent to just blame the teacher, blame failure of the student on some disability like ADD, etc., rather than turn off the TV, put down that beer, get off the telephone and participate actively in seeing to it that the homework gets done and that the student actually understands the work. The parent is the first tutor of the child. If necessary, the parent should hire a tutor in specific subjects.

98 posted on 02/01/2013 10:15:41 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk
I don't know this for sure but is it not also true that if and when a child is diagnosed with a disability, that child becomes eligible for monthly checks from Uncle Sugar---either SSI or SS Disability?

Thank you for reminding me of this. This child has an older sister that was diagnosed.

Likewise, human nature (fallen human nature) leads people to blame everyone but themselves for what goes wrong with their own kids. While teachers in any kind of school have substantial responsibility for the academic success of the children they teach, the parents have the first teaching responsibility.

Years ago one of my sisters called me up literally in tears. She had received a call that the district wanted to test her son and have him evaluated for ADD/ ADHD. I told her that I would take care of the testing. I told he that I would pick him up at 9 am on Saturday.

I had a cooler o soda and some sandwiches. I took hm to a place that knew didn't have a single fish.I showed him how to bait a hook an cast out. I told him that if he talked or moved to much he would scare the fish. That child focused on fishing for almost three hours. He go up once to relieve himself behind the tree.

I dropped him off at my sisters house and told her that she had to tell the school the could test him only after they did an IQ test on him. About a week later she called m and said they wanted to skip him a grade. told her that was not an option either. The gifted and talented program is here he is today.

It is easier (all too easy) for the parent to just blame the teacher, blame failure of the student on some disability like ADD, etc., rather than turn off the TV, put down that beer, get off the telephone and participate actively in seeing to it that the homework gets done and that the student actually understands the work. The parent is the first tutor of the child. If necessary, the parent should hire a tutor in specific subjects.

It worked for Michael Oher. And while it may not be economically feasible there community programs through the YMCA, Boys and Girls clubs, and community centers. Our school has tutors come in after school from one of t local colleges.

102 posted on 02/02/2013 5:17:17 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: BlackElk
It is easier (all too easy) for the parent to just blame the teacher, blame failure of the student on some disability like ADD, etc., rather than turn off the TV, put down that beer, get off the telephone and participate actively in seeing to it that the homework gets done and that the student actually understands the work. The parent is the first tutor of the child. If necessary, the parent should hire a tutor in specific subjects.

One of the advantages that a private school has is that it can make demands upon the parents. I have known children who attended private schools that required that the parent(s) sign contracts promising to maintain reasonable learning environments in the home. I knew of one private school that insisted upon mandatory attendance by the parents at a monthly meeting. ( I attended one of the meetings.) and the main focus of the meeting was Christian parenting principles.

The fundamental problem with government schooling is that it is a godless and socialist-entitlement and compulsory-use program. One of the symptoms of the underlying pathology of the government system of socialist-entitlement schooling is that the teachers simply can not dish out the heaping gobs of common sense advice that is needed. If they did they would soon lose their jobs and ( maybe) even be sued for discrimination.

We should not be surprised that a nation that has subjected several generations of children to socialist and godless schooling to eventually have a nation of irresponsible parents. Look up the Barna Foundation studies. The chances of a Christian child maintaining their faith after 13 years of godless indoctrination in their godless and socialist schools is dismal! indeed!

Two more things:

I bet paychecks, pensions, and long vacations have nothing at all to do with God's calling to the teachers in the government schools. No not a bit. Yep! My bet is He wants children to forced to think and reason godlessly. Yep! I bet He wants citizens to be under the threat of police and court action to pay for this godless and socialist indoctrination of children. /s

Obamacare ( just like compulsory and socialist single-payer schooling) won't be so bad in the beginning. The reason will be due to the values of the health professionals trained in the old system. It will take 2 or three generations of socialist-entitlement and single-payer health care ( just as in socialist K-12 schooling) for the true horror of Obamacare to be fully manifested. Then, the same arguments used to defend and reform out socialist-entitlement K-12 schools will be used to attempt to defend and reform the socialist health care monster.

103 posted on 02/02/2013 5:38:28 AM PST by wintertime
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To: BlackElk
I don't know this for sure but is it not also true that if and when a child is diagnosed with a disability, that child becomes eligible for monthly checks from Uncle Sugar---either SSI or SS Disability?

Yes and no......the disablity has to be life-limiting, medically based, and approved by SS. While the schools can diagnose a learning disability, they cannot diagnose a medical disability - that's for doctors.

That being said, there are whole sections of the country where the doctors and social workers seem to be on some odd sort of wavelength in that whole communities are getting "crazy checks' from SS - and in some cases these are for documented cases of ADHD. There was an article I read recently, that if I can find it I'll send it by private message, about a family where the social workers were encouraging the parents to NOT send the children to school because it would jeopardize the SSI checks if the kids were successful. They were being told to homeschool in some way - via internet, mail order, whatever means necessary.

That's fraud any way you look at it. In this case, it's the doctors playing into this fraud, along with the social workers, to permantly hobble kids and keep them from getting any kind of life skill

109 posted on 02/02/2013 9:33:48 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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