What Happened to Our Country?

Townhall.com ^ | January 21, 2013 | Bruce Bialosky

[donna]

I bet you have more than me! How dare you lecture me?

PS Spell check, LOL

[CottShop]

Don’t bet on it- unless you’re homeless with no incoem whatsoever, you’ll no doubt lose that bet

[CottShop]

Don’t bet on it- unless you’re homeless with no incoem whatsoever, you’ll no doubt lose that bet- and again- I foudn irony in the comment- excuse me for expressing my opinion- I didn’t realize that expressing an opinion abotu osmethign I found ironic was goign to touch such a nerve- I did NOT say I was put off by what keneedy said, I simpyl foudn it ironic- don’t worry- I wasn’t belittling your favorite president- take it easy- take a breath- and try to realize that peopel aren’t as awestruck about kennedy as you apparently are-

[huldah1776]

“With higher doses and with certain unstable or susceptible individuals, marijuana can produce extreme euphoria, hilarity, and overtalkativeness, but it can also produce intense anxiety and depression as well as delusions, hallucination, and other psychotic-like experiences. Evidenced suggests a strong relationship between daily marijuana use and the occurrence of psychotic symptoms (Raphael et al., 2005 = Comorbidity: Cannabis and complexity. J. Psychiat. Pract., 11(3), 161-76.)

Text: Butcher, J.N., Mineka, S., Hooley, J, Abnormal Psych 14th edition.

Most users wouldn’t have this reaction, however, most people are responsible gun users.

[CottShop]

it seems to me donna that you spend a good maount of your time on FR looking for peopel to pounce on- it isn’t bad enough that the right has to deal with the idiocy on the left, but apaprently we also have to make usre that whatever we say in a cosnervative website meets with the approval of peopel liek yourself? I made a reamrk abotu a liberal, findign irony in the statementment made by the man of means, and yo obviously took offense to the fact that I would dare say aynthign but complimentary statements abotu him- one has to wonder what side you’re really on? Yes, kennedy was a ‘better liberal’ than today’s liberals- we all get that- however, he was STILL a liberal-

Yes, life was so much better ‘in the old days’ yes, peopel today don’t deserve to have opinions because peopel in times past were so much better people’ Yes, peopel today have no right criticising anyhtign kennedy did or said or stood for- yes, peopel today haven’t got a clue how wodnerful peopel were 30 years ago, yes, peopel today are so much more ignorant than people were 30 years ago, yes, conservatives today aren’t worthy of even beign i n the shadow of yesterday’s liberals

There- ya happy? So srry i thoguht it funyn that your idol said what he said given that he had much handed to him in life- and I’m sorry I’m not lying homeless in a gutter somewhere so that I can ‘earn the privilege of havign an opinion’ abotu a matter-

Thank you for letting us bask in your perfection- it waqs such an honor and privilege- one never to be forgotten-

[JustSayNoToNannies]

my progressive liberal textbooks. They are scared to death of the psychotic, LSD-like damage it does. [...]

“With higher doses and with certain unstable or susceptible individuals, marijuana can produce extreme euphoria, hilarity, and overtalkativeness, but it can also produce intense anxiety and depression as well as delusions, hallucination, and other psychotic-like experiences. Evidenced suggests a strong relationship between daily marijuana use and the occurrence of psychotic symptoms (Raphael et al., 2005 = Comorbidity: Cannabis and complexity. J. Psychiat. Pract., 11(3), 161-76.)

Text: Butcher, J.N., Mineka, S., Hooley, J, Abnormal Psych 14th edition.

Thanks for the hard facts! They don't sound "scared to death" - and "a strong relationship" doesn't mean that one causes the other.

Most users wouldn’t have this reaction, however, most people are responsible gun users.

Interesting comparison. What do you think we should do about those rare exceptions? Ban guns and marijuana for everyone?

[CottShop]

[[Ban guns and marijuana for everyone?]]

Guns don’t cause physchosis- there is however a strong indication based o nthe facts that pot does- and it appears it not just in rare cases either-

[JustSayNoToNannies]

[huldah1776:] my progressive liberal textbooks. They are scared to death of the psychotic, LSD-like damage it does. [...]

“With higher doses and with certain unstable or susceptible individuals, marijuana can produce extreme euphoria, hilarity, and overtalkativeness, but it can also produce intense anxiety and depression as well as delusions, hallucination, and other psychotic-like experiences. Evidenced suggests a strong relationship between daily marijuana use and the occurrence of psychotic symptoms (Raphael et al., 2005 = Comorbidity: Cannabis and complexity. J. Psychiat. Pract., 11(3), 161-76.)

Text: Butcher, J.N., Mineka, S., Hooley, J, Abnormal Psych 14th edition.

Thanks for the hard facts! They don't sound "scared to death" - and "a strong relationship" doesn't mean that one causes the other.

[huldah1776:] Most users wouldn’t have this reaction, however, most people are responsible gun users.

Interesting comparison. What do you think we should do about those rare exceptions? Ban guns and marijuana for everyone?

Guns don’t cause physchosis- there is however a strong indication based o nthe facts that pot does-

Re-read for comprehension: '"a strong relationship" doesn't mean that one causes the other.'

and it appears it not just in rare cases either-

huldah1776 says otherwise, and he's read the textbooks. Where's your evidence?

[donna]

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[huldah1776]

Grow up.

[CottShop]

[[Re-read for comprehension: ‘”a strong relationship” doesn’t mean that one causes the other.]]

My comprehension is fine- your civility however seems to be lacking-

If it doesn’t cause it, then how can there be a correlation between the two? If susceptible peopel are not infact affected’ except in rare cases’ like you suggest, then the evidence showing a ‘strong relationship’ is either false, or mis-quoted-

[[huldah1776 says otherwise, and he’s read the textbooks.]]

Well, that’s fine=- But I know someone who read a book once too and they said pot causes warts- I simpyl asked if there was any actual evidence to show that thsi only happens in rare incidents contrary to the evidence that was cited above

[[Evidenced suggests a strong relationship between daily marijuana use and the occurrence of psychotic symptoms ]]

If gthe efvidence is hsowign the connection- and the rates are higher than in individuals who do not use drugs, then it seems there is a connection between the two and that the drug use is causing higher numbers than in non users. The peopel experiencign the increased psychotic events woudkl not be experiencing increased events if they abstained from the drugs the study found apparently- I’m not seeign how it can be denied that there’s no real connection?

Again, guns don’t cause psychosis, pot it appeasrs fro mthe study does cause an increase in psychotic events- if someoen wasn’t experiencign psychotic events until using pot or lsd or hwatever, and started experiencign htem when using the drugsm, and stopped experiencign htem psychotic events when they stopped gthe rrugs again, it’s pretty clear I woudl htink that the drugs are triggering/bringing on the psychotic events-

[CottShop]

mym istake- I assumed I was dealign with an adult- obviosuly I was msitaken- run along little girl-

[JustSayNoToNannies]

If it doesn’t cause it, then how can there be a correlation between the two?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation#Examples_of_illogically_inferring_causation_from_correlation

If susceptible peopel are not infact affected’ except in rare cases’ like you suggest, then the evidence showing a ‘strong relationship’ is either false, or mis-quoted-

Wrong - the strength of the relationship is the size of the correlation coefficient, which has nothing to do with the magnitude of the effect. If all test subjects who take chemical Z grow in height by exactly 0.001 inches, that's a maximum strength of relationship but a low magnitude of effect.

if someoen wasn’t experiencign psychotic events until using pot or lsd or hwatever, and started experiencign htem when using the drugsm, and stopped experiencign htem psychotic events when they stopped gthe rrugs again

No such longitudinal studies have been done.

[donna]

Mind your own ekljhifg, LOL.

[huldah1776]

Wow, you are a bully, and should be ashamed of yourself. I know you have personal issues so if you ever need someone to talk to, just personal message me.

[CottShop]

[[No such longitudinal studies have been done.]]

Then the quote you posted abotu hte strong relationship wasn’t given based on studies?

[[Wrong - the strength of the relationship is the size of the correlation coefficient, which has nothing to do with the magnitude of the effect.]]

Now wer’e talking abotu hte magnitude of psychotic events? It’s hard following you because hte goal post seems to keep moving- if people who tend ot experriencve psychotic events infrequently take drugs, and experience the events mroe frequently,. how i nthe workld can that not infacvt mean that the drugs have an effect on psychotic events?

[donna]

I was having a nice discussion about JFK and the fact that a “conservative” on FR is posting stuff about the privilege rich.

That kind of thinking belongs on DU.

And then you butted in. Maybe you should go back and read the entire conversation before you start bullying others.

You attacked me. Shame on you.

[huldah1776]

You were mocking someone’s typing. Get a real life.

[Revolting cat!]

Gratee dicsuction!

[donna]

Of course I am. It’s not acceptable to post such junk on FR. There is a spell checker for that.

Why is this person posting that way? That’s what trolls do.

Did you notice that I laughed it off? It was over until you just had to start something.

You are really rude and you are acting superior about stuff you don’t know about.