Bugging Out vs. Hunkering Down

SHTF Plan ^ | 1-19-2012 | M.D. Creekmore

[blam]

Thanks. That's an interesting map.

I've read some say that we are entering a 100 year drought period, all a natural cycle.

I notice my usually very wet area (Mobile) is in the yellow on that map.

[USAFJeeper]

No way! I will stay in my house. there’s no internet in the woods.... Besides I sold my Jeep and bought a Camaro, it has to be in the garage at night... I do have firearms, a water stash, and plenty of non perishable food.. and internet food for at my desk!

[Marie]

My mom is a massive survivalist and taught me a lot. Growing up we spent some time living in the Alaskan Bush in a one-room cabin with no plumbing, 50 air miles from the nearest road.

I thought we had a pretty good handle on things, then my son became a type one diabetic. He’s dead without insulin. You can only stockpile it for so long, even with refrigeration. We’ve looked into making it ourselves, but insulin is a delicate hormone and it’s not easily isolated or synthesized. It must be injected. There is no oral route.

Sorry, but these ‘survival’ threads do tend to depress me now. This family can’t live long without modern medicine. My son has the knowledge to survive in the woods for years, but he’s not going anywhere without insulin.

For many people, modern life is a necessity. We’d already be dead without it and we can’t make it long if it goes away.

[Marie]

Bite me.

Some people need modern medicine to live. If the SHTF, a LOT of people are dead.

[familyop]

"I've got recipes for yak, if you need them, including a nice yak cheese, if you decide to milk them."

Thank you. But we're tentatively planning to get started in 2014 now because of the drought, and yaks take quite a while to mature.

"Ever consider moving south?"

We've considered moving east/southeast, to a lower elevation, but this is our kind of challenge. It appears that most people don't mind learning to work more with other people in complicated ways. That's okay. We like to learn about and work more with material things than most others do--earth, rocks, electrical/electronic things, solar, thermal, mechanical equipment, building materials, gardening in an extreme environment, etc. Somewhat like figuring out how to survive on Mars, I guess (and maybe eventually even to get comfortable).

[familyop]

I didn’t know about the 100-year drought theory. That’s interesting, too. We can probably stand my part of the country being a little more sterile, but I really hope that the drought doesn’t further affect your part of the country (the stuff of dreamy gardens).

[familyop]

BTW, we didn’t move here over a decade ago to survive any big disaster in civilization. Didn’t even think of such things. Although, come to think of it, nature here is an ongoing disaster that we moved to. And there’s nearly no real economy here. We did it, because we like the peace, quiet and technical challenges.

[betsyross60]

bttt for later reading

[Capt.Michaels]

That just tears at my heart for you. Here is a suggested plan. Don’t wait, move now. Move to an area, um like Texas maybe so when the SHTF you have better chance to survive with your child. I’m sure like in any state your going to have some undesirables. People don’t seem to understand, other than bs talk, the truth. 1.) Texas has the WORLD’s 3rd largest army. So what if some of those troops are federal bases now. If a civil breaks out. Who’s going to go in there and try to repo them? Sure as hell not me. 2.) They have oil, plenty of wind power access, and solar access. 3) Most people don’t know this, but the Backbone of the entire internet for America crosses in San Antonio. Good luck getting that reconnected obama if they say screw you. I will take YEARS to rebuild around it. If they try and the wireless networks cannot handle ALL Of America. Just ask those people after Karina how their wireless was. That was just one small part of the US. 4.)Jericho : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805663/

For me, bugging out meant only to get to your hunker down spot. And it should done before the bottom drops out. It’s getting close now as a matter of fact. However, you can clearly see the signs. Regardless, I think it’s either going to be the economy, the gun grabbers causing civil, and/or both. Don’t wait. Make your move now while it’s sustainable. Use your income tax if you get any? Give up that new couch you always wanted and invest into something else.

Here for you or anyone else. The long sleepless hours of my time used to research viable options. All you need is shelter, food, water, protection, planning, and conditioning. Doesn’t mean you have to live in a hole. Live life, but make a little extra time to prepare.

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[greeneyes]

You do what you have to do to fit the occasion. I am better off here at home for anything that hits. If the house gets a direct hit by a tornado or earthquake, I might have to leave, and stay somewhere else.

I would even consider staying in a tent in the backyard or sleeping on a mattress in the back of the Van if necessary for a short period of time.

[blam]

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[Fightin Whitey]

No reason to apologize.

I was just wondering if it was a certain part of the post that had caught your eye, and that I was missing.

Your son, exactly like my sister, has specific medical needs that are a great challenge even in normal times.

But he also has a loving mother and there is no medicine so great as that.

Take care!

[blam]

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[Gritty]

I think even more important than a bug-out bag is a "get home" bag.

I keep two knapsacks (one for me, one for my wife or another passenger) in whatever car I am in. There is basic survival equipment and tools (rain gear/poncho, water bottles, water purification straw, extra socks/underwear/ over clothing, space blanket, hi-energy snacks, fire making gear, tiny portable stove, .22 pistol, road map, etc.). Each bag is light enough to be easily carried but heavy enough to provide necessaries for a 3 or 4 day walk, if necessary. One bag (mine, the heavier one one) has my clothing and at least one of everything. The other has backups of crucial items and gear tailored specifically for my wife.

If an emergency comes, it is my opinion it is more important to get home than bug out, plus the bags can be used for emergency short term bug out as well.

We (like most people, unless you are traveling) are seldom further from home than 50 miles. We can walk that with proper equipment. If traveling alone, I can chuck the women's clothing/shoes and carry the 2nd bag as well, with more spare stuff.

[Eye of Unk]

John Ringo wrote a series of sci fi books about a massive alien invasion of hundreds of million “Posleen” armed with superior technology, earths armies at the beginning were so overwhelmed it was advised that any person making a home stand have the house equipped with a self destruct option to be used in a last dich scenario, and since captives were eaten many people just gathered their families together and when the enemy came crashing through the door they blew everything sky high.

How would an out of control supremacy government react knowing that millions will stand their ground at at the first provocation will simply blow up their homes taking along a SWAT team or Homeland Security squad?

[Eye of Unk]

John Ringo wrote a series of sci fi books about a massive alien invasion of hundreds of million “Posleen” armed with superior technology, earths armies at the beginning were so overwhelmed it was advised that any person making a home stand have the house equipped with a self destruct option to be used in a last ditch scenario, and since captives were eaten many people just gathered their families together and when the enemy came crashing through the door they blew everything sky high.

How would an out of control supremacy government react knowing that millions will stand their ground at at the first provocation will simply blow up their homes taking along a SWAT team or Homeland Security squad?

[Twinkie]

If I were to bite you, you’d go septic and it would be a fairly merciful and relatively quick, though painful death. :O)

I take BP meds. Guess I’d have to try some herbal remedy or the other along with praying a lot. (I got on a cut rate program last year where I ordered a 6-month supply of the meds by mail and got large bottles of pills.)

[Twinkie]

Husband has been “pre-diabetic” for a long time now; but he takes CHROMIUM, BENFOTIAMINE, and CINNAMON supplements. So far, that’s worked for him and dr. seems disappointed that he’s not followed her predictions for him to need drugs. - He uses XYLITOL instead of sugar or other sweeteners; can’t tell it from sugar as far as taste. We eat a little whole grain bread and plenty of protein, organic greens in salads, a little fruit; avoid high fructose corn syrup in anything.

[ansel12]

I keep two knapsacks (one for me, one for my wife or another passenger) in whatever car I am in. There is basic survival equipment and tools (rain gear/poncho, water bottles, water purification straw, extra socks/underwear/ over clothing, space blanket, hi-energy snacks, fire making gear, tiny portable stove, .22 pistol, road map, etc.). Each bag is light enough to be easily carried but heavy enough to provide necessaries for a 3 or 4 day walk, if necessary.

I do the same thing, whether facing 100 degree heat or 10 degree cold, everyone needs to have what it takes to survive in their car for a couple of days if the freeway becomes locked up, all of that gear should be kept in an actual backpack so that if it becomes clear that the freeway is locked for good, or the car is no longer of use, then you can hike home and be able to camp along the way.

People should be realistic and be prepared to sleep for one or two nights outdoors while covering the hike, in an emergency, one might not be able to simply fast walk straight home at 4 miles per hour and in 5 or ten hours.

I also redo my gear semi-annually to fit the seasons, even in a 6 hour summer, freeway lockdown like we get occasionally, I am prepared to share water with others who came unprepared.