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Bugging Out vs. Hunkering Down
SHTF Plan ^ | 1-19-2012 | M.D. Creekmore

Posted on 01/19/2013 3:23:13 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 01/19/2013 3:23:26 PM PST by blam
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To: Kartographer
I posted the below article in April 2012:

The Fallacy Of Bugging Out – Are You Prepared To Be A Refugee?

2 posted on 01/19/2013 3:26:12 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

A Wal-Mart store might be a good bug-in place if a person were well enough “prepared”.


3 posted on 01/19/2013 3:29:40 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: blam

You want to do whatever puts the most distance between you and the cops.


4 posted on 01/19/2013 3:31:24 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: blam

to me, bugging-out means getting away from the population centers and get to your bug-in prepared location


5 posted on 01/19/2013 3:32:49 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: blam; Marcella
I've spent over a year doing the mountain man thing. I can literally be dropped naked pretty much anywhere in North America, and survive. I have those skillsets.

Dear Lord, it sucks, though. A lot.

I'd rather be home with my tools, my stuff, my neighbors, etc...

If a tornado flattens the house, I'll put up a tarp and still stay here and go through the remains to rebuild.

/johnny

6 posted on 01/19/2013 3:32:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

Well, if that’s the case, my son is dead. Hell, I’m dead. And so is my mother.

May as well pack it all in now.


7 posted on 01/19/2013 3:33:27 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: blam

In a government-controlled disaster, the highways will be closed and guarded, while media messages will all be “stay calm and stay at home”.

A great propaganda film is “Our Cities Must Fight”, although it’s a 60’s film, it shows the current policy of keeping roads clear for emergency responders. That means National Guard at intersections and entrance ramps. It’s on archive.org

If you are going to bug out, you are going to have to do it well before the hurricane (easy) or tornado (not so easy) or chlorine tank rupture.

Another good strange video is “Shelter in place”, designed for folk who live near chemical weapons repositories.


8 posted on 01/19/2013 3:34:16 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Kirkwood
You want to do whatever puts the most distance between you and the cops.

How is that different than the SOP?

/johnny

9 posted on 01/19/2013 3:34:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

Do not bug out unless you have a retreat to go to. You will just die out in the woods.


10 posted on 01/19/2013 3:36:00 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: blam

My plan was always to hunker-down. If I need to bug-out, it’ll be to my dad’s. He’s close, but remote enough to be unbothered, and he has the woodstove and plenty of land for gardening, plus beef cattle. We’ve talked about it in a what-if sort of way, but it’s funny that even though he doesn’t buy into the prepper thing and doomsday scenarios, he’s certainly more prepared than I am.


11 posted on 01/19/2013 3:40:05 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: JRandomFreeper

It wasn’t mentioned as the SOP in the article. It needs to be said for those who are young and/or still learning.


12 posted on 01/19/2013 3:44:04 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: blam
Bugging Out vs. Hunkering Down

I've always "Hunkered Down", but the day isn't over.

"Bugging Out" might be a viable option.

13 posted on 01/19/2013 3:52:20 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: JRandomFreeper
"I've spent over a year doing the mountain man thing. I can literally be dropped naked pretty much anywhere in North America, and survive. I have those skillsets."

This sounds smart, but I'm not sure about the naked part. Seems kind of vulnerable.

Just sayin'.........!

14 posted on 01/19/2013 3:56:17 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: DBrow
"If you are going to bug out, you are going to have to do it well before the hurricane (easy) or tornado (not so easy) or chlorine tank rupture."

And study your maps for alternate routes, like dust road alternatives.

Be sure to have the routes planned in place for whichever direction the bad stuff is coming from.

15 posted on 01/19/2013 4:00:10 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: JRandomFreeper
"I'd rather be home with my tools, my stuff, my neighbors, etc... If a tornado flattens the house, I'll put up a tarp and still stay here and go through the remains to rebuild."

Me too. I've told the wife that whatever disaster strikes the home - even fire - there are still going to be things we can salvage from the wreckage to survive. And I think we'd do better in familiar surroundings.

16 posted on 01/19/2013 4:05:38 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: blam

In a city during a total collapse, some of a prepper’s neighbors would thin themselves out by moving to join family or by moving to government camps.

A prepper would have his own supplies, plus be able to supplement them with whatever the government distributes, also, there is just incredible amounts of salvageable goods and materials in a city, and in abandoned homes, for instance I have access to filthy water, and with a few boards, some caulking, and a couple of window panes and some pvc pipe, I would have all of the pure water I need from my permanent solar stills.
Depending on the lay of the land, and slope, and where the manhole covers are, I might even have a flush toilet.

Fruit trees are abundant, car batteries, rummaged batteries and bullets, all kinds of goodies are in city dwellings and abandoned second cars, depending on how road warrior things got.

I like the idea of being in my regular living space, that is one reason that I am prepared. Those who can afford retreats or who live on one already, well, that is also their home.

Ideally I would have a special fort in the woods somewhere, but in real life I’m fine where I am, something that everyone (rural and city) needs to consider though, is how vulnerable are they to out of control fires if the system breaks down?


17 posted on 01/19/2013 4:05:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: JRandomFreeper
"I've spent over a year doing the mountain man thing. I can literally be dropped naked pretty much anywhere in North America, and survive. I have those skillsets."

Washington, DC, East of the Anacostia? :-)

18 posted on 01/19/2013 4:08:59 PM PST by Truth29
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To: blam

I view a SHTF situation not as a catastrophe but rather as a reset. Most preppers along with many conservatives with just a basic work ethic will survive. However, the government dependency crowd will be gone in a month and the FEDS will not lift a finger to protect them. They want them gone as well(but would never say it publicly).


19 posted on 01/19/2013 4:11:59 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: blam
For most bugging out is pure fantasy. You will be one person or family in the middle of thousands or even tens of thousands of desperate panicked refugees. If you do not have a place to go already stocked with food you existence will be short and miserable. Even if you have a remote and well prepared place to go if it is not protected others may beat you to it. You will have to take it back.

You will not find people who will welcome you or share their food with you. You will be made to keep moving with the rest of the refugees by what ever local law enforcement still exists. They do not want you to stay they will push you through their area so you become someone else’s problem. The folks who live out in the country will be forted up, dug in, and well prepared for hungry and thirsty thieves.

Living off the land is not going to happen, period. As stated in other places here it will be survival of the fittest, the meanest, and the one that will pull the trigger first.

In the western states most of the deer and elk herds migrate seasonally so if you are going to depend on them for food you are going to have to know where they are and how to get to them. Their migrations range from 60 to 100 miles twice a year. Good luck with that.

Prepare, fort up, keep you head down, your mouth shut and stay home. Do not tell everyone you know how prepared you are or they will be knocking down your door when they get hungry. One thing that everyone needs to understand is that you will have only what you are willing to protect so make up your mind that your safety and ability to survive are your responsibility. Even if you do all of theses things there are no guarantees that you will make it through all the crap but you stand a lot better chance of staying alive and protecting your family.

20 posted on 01/19/2013 4:29:21 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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