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To: WriteOn
Slavery was already out of fashion, it was only a matter of time before it ended as all hubris ends. War was unnecessary.

Slavery was on verge of expansion just before the Civil War. Had the South won, slavery would had been expanded to new territories in the West, and possibly to the islands such as Cuba.

12 posted on 01/18/2013 8:18:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Well, in the event Lincoln won, and every thing is peachy keen.


13 posted on 01/18/2013 10:50:03 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not really. The steady march of anti slavery movement was firmly established throughout the world, even the states in the South were debating abolition. Technology, moral suasion, policy would have eventually killed it off. “Nice” people would’ve eventually given it up, then it would’ve become illegal and the rest would be a local police action.


16 posted on 01/19/2013 4:25:18 AM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Slavery was on verge of expansion just before the Civil War. Had the South won, slavery would had been expanded to new territories in the West, and possibly to the islands such as Cuba.

Cuba already had slavery, and indeed didn't give it up till 1886.

Certain southerners had delusions that after independence they would be able to expand militarily into the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central/South America, creating a great slave empire.

But it was never more than delusion. Such expansion, given the transport tech of the time, could only be by sea. And the Royal Navy, not to mention the US Navy, would never have allowed it.

19 posted on 01/19/2013 8:15:53 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: MinorityRepublican

Walter Williams the economist once stated the Founders detested slavery:

” Patrick Henry acknowledged reality, saying, “As much as I deplore slavery, I see that prudence forbids its abolition.” With the union created, Congress at least had the power to abolish slave trade in 1808. James Wilson believed the anti-slave-trade clause laid “the foundation for banishing slavery out of this country.”

Other Founders condemned slavery. George Washington said, “There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it.” John Adams: “Every measure of prudence ... ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States. ... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in ... abhorrence.” James Madison: “We have seen the mere distinction of color made in the most enlightened period of time, a ground of the most oppressive dominion ever exercised by man over man.” James Otis said, “The colonists are by the law of nature freeborn, as indeed all men are, white or black.” Benjamin Franklin: “Slavery is ... an atrocious debasement of human nature.” Franklin, after visiting a black school, also said, “I ... have conceived a higher opinion of the natural capacities of the black race than I had ever before entertained.” Alexander Hamilton’s judgment was the same: “Their natural faculties are probably as good as ours.” John Jay wrote: “It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honour of the States, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused.” “

Williams also stated slavery would have died an economic death being that no slave owner would have the ability to modernize ie, cotton gins, harvesters,weaving mills etc, and keep slaves, pay for their housing, food,medicine,education,etc.

Williams alos condemned Lincoln :

“History books have misled today’s Americans to believe the war was fought to free slaves.

Statements from the time suggest otherwise. In President Lincoln’s first inaugural address, he said, “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so.”

During the war, in an 1862 letter to the New York Daily Tribune editor Horace Greeley, Lincoln said, “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery.” A recent article by Baltimore’s Loyola College Professor Thomas DiLorenzo titled “The Great Centralizer,” in The Independent Review (Fall 1998), cites quotation after quotation of similar northern sentiment about slavery.

Lincoln’s intentions, as well as that of many northern politicians, were summarized by Stephen Douglas during the presidential debates. Douglas accused Lincoln of wanting to “impose on the nation a uniformity of local laws and institutions and a moral homogeneity dictated by the central government” that “place at defiance the intentions of the republic’s founders.” Douglas was right, and Lincoln’s vision for our nation has now been accomplished beyond anything he could have possibly dreamed.

A precursor for a War Between the States came in 1832, when South Carolina called a convention to nullify tariff acts of 1828 and 1832, referred to as the “Tariffs of Abominations.” A compromise lowering the tariff was reached, averting secession and possibly war. The North favored protective tariffs for their manufacturing industry. The South, which exported agricultural products to and imported manufactured goods from Europe, favored free trade and was hurt by the tariffs. Plus, a northern-dominated Congress enacted laws similar to Britain’s Navigation Acts to protect northern shipping interests.

Shortly after Lincoln’s election, Congress passed the highly protectionist Morrill tariffs.

That’s when the South seceded, setting up a new government. Their constitution was nearly identical to the U.S. Constitution except that it outlawed protectionist tariffs, business handouts and mandated a two-thirds majority vote for all spending measures.”

http://lewrockwell.com/williams-w/w-williams87.1.html

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams120298.asp


20 posted on 01/19/2013 8:24:55 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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