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To: wideawake

You can believe any fairly tale you want. Civil War “History” as it is POPULARLY understood is so much reconstructed BS to make an unjust war waged by Northern Industrial forces against a tariff hating South palpable to the masses. I cant blame you - for the truth is hard to take.


84 posted on 01/18/2013 4:55:12 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
You can believe any fairly tale you want.

We are not discussing fairy tales, but hard facts.

Fact 1: Davis was indicted for treason.

Fact 2: Davis publicly claimed that he wanted to stand trial.

Fact 3: Despite his public claims that he wanted to stand trial, he fought the indictment in court to prevent a trial.

All three facts are a matter of public record, and I even specifically cited case law for you.

Civil War “History” as it is POPULARLY understood is so much reconstructed BS

There are three main popular versions of Civil War history, all of them specifically partisan. I avoid all three.

an unjust war waged by Northern Industrial forces

The war was initiated by the Confederacy. That also is a historical fact.

The Constitution also gives the Federal government supremacy of legal jurisdiction over all states that adopted the Constitution. That's another fact.

You are working with a definition of "unjust war" that is simply contradictory to the entire tradition of Western public law.

against a tariff hating South

The North was far more agricultural than it was industrial. It only seemed industrial compared to the South. And the war was not about tariffs. If it were, it would be a war unjustly waged by the South on that account alone. But tariffs had almost nothing to do with the statements and motivations of the secession movement.

The nullification crisis was about tariffs. If the Civil War was about any legislation, it was about the Kansas-Nebraska Act.

palpable to the masses

I assume you mean "palatable."

I cant blame you - for the truth is hard to take.

Your comments on this thread indicate that you have done very little independent investigation of the matters under discussion.

You have completely bought into the "Lost Cause" version of events. This is not about truth for you, in my opinion. It is about confirming yourself in your unexamined personal convictions.

I know I don't have all the answers. But I try to ask the right questions.

88 posted on 01/18/2013 9:46:16 AM PST by wideawake
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To: central_va
You can believe any fairly tale you want. Civil War “History” as it is POPULARLY understood is so much reconstructed BS to make an unjust war waged by Northern Industrial forces against a tariff hating South palpable to the masses. I cant blame you - for the truth is hard to take.

Your myths and delusions are even harder to take.

I never thought I would meet a crazier loon than Stand Watie on this forum, but I think you are right in his league and about ready to pass him up.

97 posted on 01/18/2013 6:47:19 PM PST by Ditto
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