[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

We must choose to give up, or fight to save what we can. You are right about not having any optimal choices, but some can't accept reality. I think our best option will be a new union or alliance of states and breakaway areas within states brought together by an admiration of our founding fathers, and belief that our constitution is worth fighting for.

[TigersEye]

If this civil war were to ever become a shooting war there is no way anyone can predict what the final outcome would be. Regardless of which side won. It should be avoided to the point of tolerating a long train of abuses and many attempts to resolve the problem in other ways. Whatever happens there are some who will not bend a knee to tyranny with or without popular support.