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Obama Will Seek Citizenship Path in One Fast Push (for most illegal aliens)
The New York Times ^ | Saturday, January 13, 2013 | JUlia Preston

Posted on 01/12/2013 6:40:30 PM PST by kristinn

WASHINGTON — President Obama plans to push Congress to move quickly in the coming months on an ambitious overhaul of the immigration system that would include a path to citizenship for most of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the country, senior administration officials and lawmakers said last week.

Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats will propose the changes in one comprehensive bill, the officials said, resisting efforts by some Republicans to break the overhaul into smaller pieces — separately addressing young illegal immigrants, migrant farmworkers or highly skilled foreigners — which might be easier for reluctant members of their party to accept.

The president and Democrats will also oppose measures that do not allow immigrants who gain legal status to become American citizens one day, the officials said.

Even while Mr. Obama has been focused on fiscal negotiations and gun control, overhauling immigration remains a priority for him this year, White House officials said. Top officials there have been quietly working on a broad proposal. Mr. Obama and lawmakers from both parties believe that the early months of his second term offer the best prospects for passing substantial legislation on the issue.

Mr. Obama is expected to lay out his plan in the coming weeks, perhaps in his State of the Union address early next month, administration officials said. The White House will argue that its solution for illegal immigrants is not an amnesty, as many critics insist, because it would include fines, the payment of back taxes and other hurdles for illegal immigrants who would obtain legal status, the officials said.

A bipartisan group of senators has also been meeting to write a comprehensive bill, with the goal of introducing legislation as early as March and holding a vote in the Senate before August.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; amnesty; bho44; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; obama
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To: rodguy911

No, the administration is claiming it is 10-12 million. It’s closer to three times that.


81 posted on 01/13/2013 6:44:37 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rodguy911

The famous demographer Murdoch said the way to really tell the percentage of anyone in a population is to go to the elementary school and look at the percentages there. He was found to be correct.


82 posted on 01/13/2013 6:46:09 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rodguy911
Rubio is what I like to call a 'nouveau' republican. He talks a good game but his votes betray his speeches. Another problem I have with Rubio is his loyalty is to his heritage, not to America. As a second generation immigrant, I don't understand it. My family came here for a better life because America was the antithesis of all that was wrong with the Country they were living in. My people were anxious and proud to assimilate and become Americans. If you read Rubio's outline for his plan, he even shortens the requirement to learning 'some' English!

I am not ready to turn my Country over to people who have no respect for its laws, its history, its people or its war veterans who fought to keep it what the founders envisioned. At this time, I feel I have no representation and wonder, why am I even paying taxes? Rubio is part of the problem! He is not my Representative but he's from my State and every time he champions the amnesty nonsense it pisses me off! <===== preposition dangling by choice.

I am not a "you guys", I am a girl and I am the proud descendant of people who came here legally and raised me as an all-American. Everyone in my family served in the military and my father came home with a Purple Heart. For what? So others can float over here and turn this place into a watered down version of their failed Socialist/Communist Country? I think not.

83 posted on 01/13/2013 6:49:26 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: kristinn
Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

84 posted on 01/13/2013 7:02:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: umgud
We are increasing the ranks of the Democrats thru legal immigration.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2042, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provides a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.

Immigrants and minorities vote two to one for Dems.

85 posted on 01/13/2013 7:09:26 AM PST by kabar
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To: rodguy911

Once you set a price on how self-selected immigrants can illegally enter this country and become citizens, you are no longer acting on princple. You are a whore who is just negotiating the price.


86 posted on 01/13/2013 7:15:57 AM PST by kabar
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To: liberalh8ter
I guess opinions vary.

Many Cuban/Americans hate Communism more that we ever could.

With many of their relatives living under the gun of Fidel/Raul Castro,(the castro brothers) they know first hand what its all about. For them communism is a reality that they want no part of.

Cuban immigrants fleeing Castros' communism are a Far different scenario than mexicans. A fourth grade educated 30 year old mexicon crossing the Rio Grande at night and getting on welfare a week later has little in common with the average Cuban American. two different worlds here.

87 posted on 01/13/2013 7:19:39 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
I am not mistake Rubio is working on just such a plan. I know that one of his ideas is to stop allowing so many illegals who cross the border with a fourth grade education while giving the guys with MBA’s and Doctorates, people that we really need, a super hard time about coming in legally. Hard to tell where it will all wind up.

We bring in 1.2 million LEGAL immigrants a year, more than the rest of the world combined when it comes to legal immigration. We also have 900,000 foreign students in our universities. Many of them who earn advanced degrees actually are allowed to stay here.

But that begs the question. In this nation of 315 million, do we need to import more people with MBAs and doctorates? We have 23 million Americans looking for fulltime employment. About 50% of college graduates cannot find jobs in their fields. Shouldn't we be doing something to produce the people we need with advanced degrees? Why do we need to import them?

88 posted on 01/13/2013 7:24:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar; All
In 2012, some U.S. Border Patrol agents suggest that the rate of illegal border-crossings is not down and that the figures are being massaged. Now when illegal border-crossers are caught, they are immediately sent back at the nearest port of entry—with no records maintained in cases where supervisors determine that “prosecutorial discretion” is to be exercised. Although figures don’t lie, figures can be manipulated. The number of illegal aliens entering the United States remains considerable –– contrary to what immigration advocates would have you believe. Although the draw of jobs still motivates illegal entry, a new twist has entitlements are becoming the main incentive. Illegal aliens entering the U.S. today understand that the Obama administration is reshaping social and welfare benefits to be citizenship-neutral, with no questions asked about the citizenship of applicants.

This is an update from James T. Walsh. He suggest that yearly costs for illegal aliens are over 100 billion per year and border hospitals are closing en masse. By the way kabar worked for the State Dept. for many years and his posts come with years of experience.

89 posted on 01/13/2013 7:25:22 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kristinn

"Yippee!"

90 posted on 01/13/2013 8:16:18 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: kristinn

This phony resident and president has already jumped the line. He’s had his birth certificate forged and he’s using the social security number belonging to dead guy from Taxachewshits.


91 posted on 01/13/2013 8:17:16 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: KantianBurke

What the hell is he laughing about?

He paved the way for Obozo the way his father paved the way for Clinton!


92 posted on 01/13/2013 8:20:53 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: kristinn
It looks like I am going to have to give a donation to "Numbers USA" .

I hate to give to lobbying groups as I feel charities like the Salavation Army can use what little I can spare, but this seems like a justifiable expense. I already donated to the NRA.

93 posted on 01/13/2013 8:32:29 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: kabar

I am researching that question now. So far you are right as usual.


94 posted on 01/13/2013 8:38:14 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

You are correct about educating our own citizens. However, we first need to stop bringing in tons of people who have no education and no job prospects, and start controlling immigration so that immigrants are more desirable members of our society.

Also, if we are not producing enough engineers, there is nothing wrong with bringing in new citizen engineers who will pass this professional approach down for generations.

Sadly, no one is talking about any of this. It’s all glop about some wonderful lady who makes great tortillas every morning, and isn’t it great if she and her family can stay here. Our nation is sunk with a stupid approach like that.


95 posted on 01/13/2013 9:24:51 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: HiJinx

This is a sure way to harm this country. We do not need this criminals who not only break our laws but also have a sociopathic sense of entitlement.


96 posted on 01/13/2013 10:03:35 AM PST by Dante3
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To: kristinn

Now, its better to enter US in tourist visa and over stay, then one will be illegal and it will be fastest way to get Green Card and Citizenship. I hope they make it free also, because currently, it is very expensive.


97 posted on 01/13/2013 10:05:30 AM PST by jennychase
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To: JouleZ

Yep, that’s 11 million more looking for jobs or taking jobs and one need only to look at New York city to see where the rest of the country is headed. A friend of mine works in construction (and was born here)and can’t find work for s**t. Yet go to any construction site in NYC and most of the workers are Mexicans as are most who do road work and bridge repair. They hire them to keep costs down which drives the unions nuts which is why you see inflatable rats all over NYC. This is what our Despot, I mean Mayor Bloomberg supports. I’m not a fan of unions but to give jobs to people who AREN’T EVEN SUPPOSE TO BE HERE over people who were born and grew up in NYC is absolutely disgusting and borders on treason as far as I’m concerned.

http://kellyannsenyei.com/2009/03/27/the-art-of-picketing-new-emphasis-old-tactic/


98 posted on 01/13/2013 10:17:09 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Well stated.

BTW, I received a clipping from the Des Moines Register (Jan. 12). The Latino affairs commissioners appointed by Gov. Terry Brandstad asked him th reconsider his policy barring drivers licenses from children brought to the U.S. by parents who are illegal aliens.

This is absurd. Hope Brandstad does not cave. Now the Office of Latino Affairs, a division under the state's Department of Human Rights wants to meet with the governor. Why should there even been these special concerns for Latinos when so many of native Iowans are out of work or facing foreclosures.

99 posted on 01/13/2013 10:27:34 AM PST by Dante3
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To: himno hero

The “11 million” new Obama voters will, like almost all Govt numbers be woefully incorrect. After “free Amnesty” passage of the “Dem Party In Power Forever” bill, the number of illegals will “unexpectedly” turn out to be at least 30 million...plus the bill will likely be a 2,000 pager which Congress has 3 minutes to read prior to the vote and will also bring in the illegals’ extended familie members (another 50 million).

Collapse the System....or if not, between 30 to 50 new Obama voters plus voting fraud and the Dem core voters (Liberals, welfareites, felons, dogs, cats and the dead), the USA will be a corrupt, oppresive police state dictatorship for our lifetimes.


100 posted on 01/13/2013 10:50:28 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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