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Have We Lost the Drug Wars?
Townhall.com ^ | January 8, 2013 | Bill Murchison

Posted on 01/08/2013 10:59:00 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: A_Former_Democrat

That ‘have a drink in social situations’ thing is about mind alteration too. What do you think that ‘loosen up/relax’ bit comes from? HOW do you think you ‘loosen up and relax’?


61 posted on 01/08/2013 12:10:35 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lurking Libertarian

And those were staunch right-wingers in the majority on Roe v. Wade? How about today? Who are the advocates today? We can find “exceptions’ to every generalization.


62 posted on 01/08/2013 12:12:00 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: A_Former_Democrat
Marijuana is less addictive than alcohol, and unlike alcohol can't kill you in a single evening of overuse.

And people drink mainly for social reasons, not to get messed up. Dope is 100% about mind alteration.

People drank 100% to get messed up when that drug was illegal - and plenty of them still do so today.

63 posted on 01/08/2013 12:12:15 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Brightitude

There is violence connected with the Oxycontin trade, it’s just that it’s tangled up in all the other illegal trades. Which renders the drug war preposterous to my mind, when we have the exact same problem wth halfway legal as totally outlawed substances.


64 posted on 01/08/2013 12:16:16 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Responsibility2nd
If the government was really serious about fighting the WOD, we would see troops on our borders to curtail the millions of illegal immigrants that pour accross our borders AND to curtail the millions of pounds of illegal drugs.

Drugs also come in via established shipping channels. What do you think it would cost to screen EVERY item imported into this country?

And what should be done about all the domestically produced drugs?

65 posted on 01/08/2013 12:17:21 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Getting a conviction on most crimes is an impossible task even with eye witnesses. If the local burglar stealing my stuff never gets caught for stealing but gets arrested for possession and goes to jail at least he is not stealing my stuff any more. After 3 convictions he qualifies for lifer status. Feel free to substitute child molester and the act of molesting in this scenario.

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You don’t understand. Pot smokers are highly regarded tax-paying productive members of society. They never break laws and are never on welfare roles. We need more dopers and we need to legalize pot so we can tax it. And this time - the higher taxes WON’T lead to more government.

(At least this is what the pro-dope crowd tells me)


66 posted on 01/08/2013 12:17:24 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kaslin

The article doesn’t even consider all the “wrong house” raids and family dogs shot-—practices defended because their practitioners insist those tactics are necessary to fight the “War on Drugs”.


67 posted on 01/08/2013 12:17:57 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Responsibility2nd
Pot smokers [...] never break laws and are never on welfare roles. [...] (At least this is what the pro-dope crowd tells me)

I'll bet they tell you no such thing - prove me wrong and provide an exact quotation.

68 posted on 01/08/2013 12:20:16 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Sadly this is a losing battle. People like on this thread don't care about drugs and their dangers. They look at alcohol as a trial case, and to legal and spread its use as a proof of. I don't even know.

Making more drugs legal seems stupid. I say go with meth. Legalize that, and see how it goes. Go for the extreme.

I say alcohol is a necessary evil, but anything harder including pot is not.

69 posted on 01/08/2013 12:23:01 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: Kaslin
Without drug cartel profits, how are all of our elected representatives supposed to turn their low-six-figure jobs into multi-million dollar fortunes? Legalization is madness, I tell ya! :)
70 posted on 01/08/2013 12:23:49 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Pot affects people differently than drinking. It produces mind changes that start liberalism. And it attracts liberal kumbaya types. Period.


71 posted on 01/08/2013 12:24:38 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: A_Former_Democrat
And those were staunch right-wingers in the majority on Roe v. Wade?

Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 decision, with Nixon appointees Burger and Blackmun in the majority. And on the other topic you mentioned, divorce, red states were at least as fast as blue states (often faster) to adopt no-fault divorce. In fact, the last hold-out against no-fault divorce was New York.

72 posted on 01/08/2013 12:24:38 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Actually,that is an idea in progress. 4 years ago even the leftist libtards in California realized legal marijuana was a bad idea and so that proposition was defeated.

Actually, if you bothered to look at the campaign funding, you would see that it was the alcohol lobby, the prison guard unions, police unions and the private prison corporations that piled millions into the effort to defeat it because it was going to interfere with their business model. But don't let what really happened get in the way of that fetish for using big government to make people live the way you say they should.

73 posted on 01/08/2013 12:24:39 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Tublecane
vices are not crimes

Sure they are, if there is a law against them.

I understand your point, but it's not that these aren't crimes, it is that they should not be crimes, a point for which I think there are good arguments.

A crime is anything that is against the law, and a criminal is someone who breaks that law. Unjust laws have been and will be passed. In Europe during WWII it was a crime to hide Jews.

74 posted on 01/08/2013 12:25:29 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Orangedog

Those probably all oppose legalized meth too. Can we start there since all drugs are apparently the same to legalizers?


75 posted on 01/08/2013 12:27:37 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: Persevero

If we restrict ourselves to the one shot of which he speaks, yes. But you do realize some people imbibe more than that and on purpose to get drunk, don’t you? And that busybodies tried to stop them with a whole War on Booze back when which failed utterly. Remembering that takes much of the force away from his little joke.


76 posted on 01/08/2013 12:28:06 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Kaslin

We have met the enemy and he is us.


77 posted on 01/08/2013 12:28:29 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Orangedog
You're either wrong, or you're just lying. Big Labor and George Soros funded the pro-dope proposition.

What Killed Prop. 19?


78 posted on 01/08/2013 12:33:36 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kaslin

Since WWII, our track record hasn’t been so good.

War in Korea - tied
War in Vietnam - lost
Cold War - won
War in Iraq - we won the first and second half’s, but may lose in over-time
War in Afghanistan - lost
War on Poverty - lost
War on Drugs - lost

MAKE IT: 1-4-1 (with Iraq still undecided)

On the other hand, we’re doing pretty well in the undeclared wars:

War on the Family - winning
War on Men - winning
War on Free Enterprise - seems like we lost this war under Clinton, but we’ve since made a big comeback

MAKE IT: 0-2-0 (with free enterprise still undecided)


79 posted on 01/08/2013 12:34:44 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Dane
Ping for entertainment.

5.56mm

80 posted on 01/08/2013 12:38:36 PM PST by M Kehoe
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