McChrystal backs gun restrictions

politico.com ^ | January 8, 2013 | KEVIN ROBILLARD

[clintonh8r]

Do we have ANY military leaders we can trust.

Not above 06.

[BobinIL]

Which is why I personally question the reasoning that says, in the event of a blatant attempt at confiscation and usurpation of our 2nd Amendment rights, the military and police will refuse their orders. I just don’t see it happening.

I agree with you 100% Some local police maybe if they personally know you may cut you some slack but some big inner city squad made up of strangers or some other states national guard would have no problem demonizing you. If you are a model citizen they will tell the officers a pack of lies and in their minds you would be no better than some crackhead on the streets.

[DuncanWaring]

Darn, you’re good.

[Sooth2222]

".223 is devastating, as opposed to all the others? Please."

I think the reason the 5.56mm AR is so popular with farmers and ranchers for varmint control is that it's much easier to carry and shoot than a 7.62mm and more effective than the .22LR. It has been a matter of debate since the AR15 was introduced in Vietnam if the 5.56 NATO round is even powerful enough.

[Iron Munro]

He doesn’t want all his jealous females riding around town gunning for him and for each other.

[GnL]

I said “many,” not “all.” I stand by that statement.

[jboot]

True dat. But it gets me thinking...

"Devastating" is a ballistics forensics buzzword. If you read forensics reports they frequently characterize any gunshot wound as "devastating". The closest I can come to a definition of "devastating" in this context is "a large irregular wound that may result in serious complications up to and including death if not immediately treated." It is very subjective.

In this example, it is a scare word with no purpose other than to provoke an emotional response.

[mom.mom]

Hey McChrystal, look at me! We are dealing with a fascist run government now. That’s FASCIST - look it up. You should be wondering, “how do I get tanks for the citizenry?”

[Trailerpark Badass]

What war did this fellow fight in, again?

[Resolute Conservative]

You would still be wrong. The enumerator is “few”. It is just those few that get the microphone in order to give the media what they want to push. The media will never publish interviews by upper ranked individuals or rank and file that promote the 2nd. Never.

Also if you are not in upper management or an appointed spokesperson you are not authorize to make statements contrary to your leaderships agenda lest you want another job.

[donozark]

Sounds like General McChrystal is and understudy of General Wesley Clark, who, during a June 25, 2003 CNN Interview (Crossfire) stated: “I have got twenty some odd guns in the house. I like to hunt. I have grown up with guns all my life, but people who like assault weapons should go join the US Army, we have them.”

[circlecity]

“And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

And how is this any more dangerous than a 30.06 deer rifle which has been used by hunters for about a 100 years and was also used almost exclusively by Carlos Hathcock (the most successful American killer of bad guys) during the Viet Nam war?

[jboot]

Whoh, thanks there, Quickdraw!

Interesting note about LEOs. Come to think of it, most LEOs that I know own NFA guns, whether autos or shorties. They also pay the company rate for brand-new guns (not pre-1986 ones).

I'm curious what happens when the LEO passes away and his estate is left with an auto manufactured since '86. Speaking from experience, I can say that is a Very Thorny Problem. Are they required to turn them in when they retire?

[junta]

My guess is that the NFA is a joke.

[Trailerpark Badass]

All it takes is one to give the order.

I know a number of young combat vets who think the biggest threat to liberty in this country is racist, homophobic Christians who want to ban porn.

[junta]

Generals are clerks, full bird colonels are clerks in training. My guess is that in these ideological times the serious weeding out begins at O-3.

[CodeToad]

We’re going to find he’s a faggoty-assed homosexual soon. Just watch.

[PapaBear3625]

Lessons the Founders gained from the Revolutionary War included the idea that ad hoc, untrained, ill-armed militias were unreliable and ineffective at fighting a conventional war, as then understood. The 2nd A’s enigmatic words “well-regulated” did not imply “government micromanagement” in the modern sense of “EPA regulations” (a concept that did not exist then). They address the need for militia to be armed with “regulation” weapons (i.e., the same as REGULAR army), and to have “regulation” training in their use, so that units could fight cohesively and predictably. Other provisions of the Constitution require Congress to provide for arming and training the militia — a duty they manifestly fail to perform (our tiny National Guard is obviously not the militia). Interesting how the Founders trusted the People more than the very government that they, themselves, were creating. Do McCrystal, Obama, Finestein, et al., trust the People?

My old (printed in the 1960's) ROTC manual defined "well regulated" as "uniform in training and organization", in the sense of having a uniformly high level of training and organization.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

INCONVENIENT FACT: According to no less an authority than the peer-reviewed Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, countries with stringent gun control laws have higher murder and suicide rates than those without.

DOCUMENTATION: “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?” A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence by Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser, Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, pages 649-694. (To download a PDF copy of the journal article, simply Google the title. It is available on the web free of charge.)

QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: “If you are surprised by our findings, so are we. We did not begin this research with any intent to “exonerate” handguns, but there it is — a negative finding, to be sure, but a negative finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us where not to aim public health resources.”

INDIRECTION: The trick hoplophobes always use is to say that America has higher gun-murder rates than other countries, but many of those “murders” are criminals killed in the act of committing violent crimes. Compare absolute murder rates, and the result is “more guns, less murder.” (Source: GunFacts.info);

SECOND INCONVENIENT FACT: According to DOJ crime statistics, guns are used by US citizens 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crimes like rape, robbery, home-invasion and carjacking, 99% of the time without a shot being fired. (Source: GunFacts.info)

THIRD INCONVENIENT FACT: “Assault weapons” (AKA semiautomatic rifles) are used in less than 1% of gun crimes. (Source: GunFacts.info)

QUESTION: If gun-free zones make people safe, then why don’t we declare the immediate vicinity of the President and Vice-President to be gun-free zones and send the Secret Service home? Or are gun-free zones good enough for our kids, but not good enough for our overlords?

METAPHOR: America has more private gun ownership than most other countries, so naturally there are more gun murders. America also has more hospitals than most other countries, so naturally we have more people dying in hospitals. Does that mean we should outlaw hospitals?

[junta]

You are describing morons, porn being ironic since I believe the fems got porn pulled from the PX system in the great era of Obama.