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1 posted on 01/05/2013 5:31:13 AM PST by Olog-hai
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...and unilaterally raise the debt ceiling by invoking the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which states, “The validity of the public debt of the United States…shall not be questioned.” …

The question is; while the debt cannot be questioned, what about other more..."discretionary" spending? While we need to be good for our debts, nothing says we need to spend on all the other unconstitutional "benefits/entitlements" that are in place.

2 posted on 01/05/2013 5:35:27 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Olog-hai
...and unilaterally raise the debt ceiling by invoking the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which states, “The validity of the public debt of the United States…shall not be questioned.” …

The question is; while the debt cannot be questioned, what about other more..."discretionary" spending? While we need to be good for our debts, nothing says we need to spend on all the other unconstitutional "benefits/entitlements" that are in place.

3 posted on 01/05/2013 5:35:54 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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$16.394 trillion in the hole and the dems want to keep diggine,they need to take the cure of spending they have no logic.
Color them Greece.


4 posted on 01/05/2013 5:36:52 AM PST by Vaduz
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Never question Broke O’bummer.
Not his birth certificate, college or selective service records, passports or travel history, religion, white house visitors log, and especially, his authority to act unilaterally on spending. It used to be patriotic to question... NOT ANYMORE!!!
7 posted on 01/05/2013 5:45:10 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Fienstien, the news media.

What is the common denominator here? they are all democrats.

ALL democrats want to make the government all powerful and at the same time take away all our individual rights and freedom. Democrats want the government to own everything ( that's called socialism).Everything democrats do is to empower government and at the same time dis-empower the individual. the individual is small and already powerless and the government is so huge and powerful and idiot democrats think the government needs to be made bigger and more powerful. wtf is wrong with these idiots?

When will we realize that the threat to our freedom and survival is the democrat party?

8 posted on 01/05/2013 5:45:31 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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Queen Nancy needs a lesson in civics.

Better yet, her district needs to stop paying her for the representation that she seems so willing to cede to her emperor.


9 posted on 01/05/2013 5:49:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Just some recent events I noticed just in the past couple weeks:

1. democrat senator Feinstein’s bill to take away our guns.

2. 8 more bills by democrats to take away our guns.

3. democrat Obama and the news media's fake fiscal cliff to tax the rich (a marxit progressive income tax)

4. Obama’s FDA, and EPA cracking down on businesses and Americans to take away more of our freedom and ability to do business

5. democrat Pelosi and its call to give Obama power to raise the debt limit( a dictarorial power)

6. Democrat Obama planning to take away our gun rights

There are much more , just some of the top of my head

democrats are the main threat to freedom

10 posted on 01/05/2013 5:51:15 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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Hard to answer a Post about Nancy Pelosi without getting banned.

I have to self censor anything I say about her because there are not enough words fit to print that can describe this old hag.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 5:59:10 AM PST by Venturer
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“The validity of the public debt of the United States…shall not be questioned.”

Add back in the deletion, and you get:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

So the validity of public debt not "authorized by law" may be questioned, and since the law sets a cap on the amount of debt, debt in excess of that cap is entitled to no constitutional protection.

Not that the Supreme Court cares what the Constitution says.

14 posted on 01/05/2013 6:28:04 AM PST by Pilsner
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“The validity of the public debt of the United States…shall not be questioned.” …

Let's see what Nancy is hiding behind that little ellipsis.

, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion,

Since we aren't arguing about whether the readmitted southern states should have to pay for Civil War debts, the operative words she is trying to bury are "authorized by law". It looks like her entire argument is based on ignoring the fact that debt must be authorized by law, which requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate, not a mere approval by the President.

Personally I would like to return to the pre 1917 law when each issuance of bonds had to be separately approved by Congress rather than allowing the Treasury to run a tab. Now the Dems want to throw away the limit on that tab.

15 posted on 01/05/2013 6:40:13 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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The federal gov’t is a racket, a con game, a stacked deck...and we keep saying “hit me”!


16 posted on 01/05/2013 7:05:23 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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This is a straight-on Civil War, and I f****g mean to win.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 7:08:56 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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The debt is what we already owe, not what we promise to spend. The terms pelosi misunderstands intend to direct the government that it must repay its borrowed money. That is the plan. With no increase in the borrowing limit, the US will easily be able to make its Social Security payments and scheduled interest payments on the debt from continuing tax receipts. We will not default, because we will be repaying out debts. The walk around money for Obama voters- that might be a problem.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 7:17:58 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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Nanny Pelosi - another dead end on the evolutionary tree of mankind.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 7:31:45 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America !!!!)
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Section 5 of the 14th amendment states:
“The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”
The President is given no authority to over ride the Congress.


23 posted on 01/05/2013 8:24:01 AM PST by MCF
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Are ANY of these”People”aware of The US Constitution?


25 posted on 01/05/2013 9:05:45 AM PST by bandleader
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Any Republican voting for raising the debt ceiling should be written off as a Democrat vote, and they are closer to Pelosi’s views then being a fiscal conservative.


27 posted on 01/05/2013 9:13:27 AM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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The scumbag rats will do anything to make sure they have the loot to continue buying the votes of their moocher base.
I really liked the “trillion dollar coin” idea.


28 posted on 01/05/2013 9:51:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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imagine the financial obligations of the US being guaranteed by the full faith and credit of ....

Nancy Pelosi

or Harrison J Bounell


29 posted on 01/05/2013 9:52:16 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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