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Another Fiscal Flop
NY Times ^ | December 31, 2012 | DAVID BROOKS

Posted on 01/03/2013 12:58:56 PM PST by iowamark

Over the course of the 20th century, America built its welfare state. It was, by and large, a great achievement, expanding opportunity and security for millions. Unfortunately, as the population aged and health care costs surged, it became unaffordable.

Public debt as a percentage of gross domestic product was around 38 percent in 1965. It is around 74 percent now. Debt could approach a ruinous 90 percent of G.D.P. in a decade...

By 2025, entitlement spending and debt payments are projected to suck up all federal revenue...

Ultimately, we should blame the American voters. The average Medicare couple pays $109,000 into the program and gets $343,000 in benefits out, according to the Urban Institute. This is $234,000 in free money. Many voters have decided they like spending a lot on themselves and pushing costs onto their children and grandchildren. They have decided they like borrowing up to $1 trillion a year for tax credits, disability payments, defense contracts and the rest. They have found that the original Keynesian rationale for these deficits provides a perfect cover for permanent deficit-living. They have made it clear that they will destroy any politician who tries to stop them from cost-shifting in this way.

Most members of Congress are responding efficiently to the popular will. A large number of reactionary Democrats reject any measure to touch Medicare or other entitlement programs...

The events of the past few weeks demonstrate that these political pressures overwhelm the few realists looking for a more ambitious bargain. The country either doesn’t know or doesn’t care about the burdens we are placing on our children. No coalition of leaders has successfully confronted the voters, and made them heedful of the ruin they are bringing upon the nation.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: davidbrooks
Rush talking about this column today.
1 posted on 01/03/2013 12:58:59 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Debt at 74% of GDP? Where does he get that figure?

Every figure I see indicates that the USA’s present $16.4 Trillion in direct liabilities (not including Soc. Sec.) is 103% of GDP.


2 posted on 01/03/2013 1:01:28 PM PST by PGR88
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To: iowamark

Every time they trot out these articles, the mention Medicare. It’s not Medicare, it’s MEDICAID, WIC, TANF, Section 8 housing, Social Security Disability for “mental disorders” (referred to in urban areas as “crazy money”), Obamaphones, Pell Grants and the like. Not to mention the gigantic, bloated federal and state bureaucracies that “administer” these programs (which I refer to as “employed welfare”).

Don’t pare them back, ELIMINATE them. And while you’re at it, eliminate minimum wage laws. Then you will find plenty of Americans willing to do the jobs “Americans aren’t willing to do.”

Any you’ll have a balanced budget, too.

This solution to our problems is so obvious as to be self-evident. And it has absolutely no chance of ever happening in our current political and social climate.


3 posted on 01/03/2013 1:06:03 PM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: iowamark

Mr. Brooks didn’t you endorse the “crease-in-his-pants” Kenyan and his tax and spend policies?


4 posted on 01/03/2013 1:06:32 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: PGR88

He’s not counting the “Social Security Trust Fund”.


5 posted on 01/03/2013 1:09:02 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: iowamark
Debt could approach a ruinous 90 percent of G.D.P. in a decade...

A decade?

At the current spending rate, more like two years.

6 posted on 01/03/2013 1:10:22 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: PGR88
Debt at 74% of GDP? Where does he get that figure?

I think they are talking about the portion of our federal debt owed to non-government holders. Some of the 16.4 trillion debt is between agencies, (the 2.5 trillion stolen from Social Security is part of that). Though the numbers are old this link shows the difference between "Public Debt" and interagency debt.

Federal Debt basics
7 posted on 01/03/2013 1:22:29 PM PST by microgood
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To: henkster

Do your homework.
EVERY Federal program is in trouble.
They all spend too much.


8 posted on 01/03/2013 1:26:50 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: PGR88
Re: “Where does he get that figure?”

That's David Brooks - alleged Conservative - playing a completely bogus accounting trick.

Brooks pointedly says “Public Debt.”

He doesn't count “Intra-Agency” debt.

That's when various agencies of the Federal Government - like HHS - “borrow” money from the U.S. Treasury or other Federal agencies.

In theory, this is money that the Federal Government “borrows” from itself.

The problem?

The borrowed money has been SPENT, and HHS, and all the other agencies, have no source of income except the U.S. Treasury.

9 posted on 01/03/2013 1:29:55 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: henkster

Medicare is the biggest driver of our debt. It will consume every federal dollar if not reformed.


10 posted on 01/03/2013 1:31:11 PM PST by kabar
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To: zeestephen
He doesn't count “Intra-Agency” debt. That's when various agencies of the Federal Government - like HHS - “borrow” money from the U.S. Treasury or other Federal agencies.

It is called "Intragovermental Holdings." It contains the HI, SS, and federal trust funds. For example, the SSTF contains $2.7 trillion in non-market interest bearing T-bills. How did the SSTF get the T-bills?

When SS was getting more in revenue that it paid out in benefits, the "surplus" was deposited into the General Fund. In return, Treasury issued T-bills in the amount of the surplus and deposited them into the SSTF. The SSTF represents the good faith and credit of the USG to honor those T-bills in much the same way it honors the T-bills held by the Chinese. Since SS has been running in the red since 2010, i.e., more is being paid out in benefits than in revenue received, some of those T-bills are being cashed in to make up the shortfall.

Intragovernmental Holdings are obligations by the USG, which has borrowed money from SS, HI, and federal pension funds, not the other way around.

11 posted on 01/03/2013 1:46:10 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Thank you, kabar.

I stand corrected.

A very clear explanation.

12 posted on 01/03/2013 2:02:04 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: iowamark
those who are in their 80's are getting/taking the vast amount of free medicare money....

my mil did not work, did not contribute to SS or medicare except for about 2 yrs...

my fil has been retired for nearly 30 yrs....

both have had multiple big surgeries, spent time in a nursing home, take multiple meds and have had countless mri's and ct's for aches and pains....throw in many rounds of physyical therapy....

seeing as SS was once just a pittance, the amt they have "paid" in is miniscule and almost sacriligeous to what my husband and I have paid it, and we're still working....

oh, and I have "disabled" sil/bil with bil on the take for about 20 yrs now....

the takers have really stolen the golden goose....

not that I want anyone to die, but I don't run to the dr for every little pain, and I don't take multiple pain meds for my bad back and knees nor feel I need to get on abx for every sniffle....but this is exactly what my inlaws do....because they're not paying....

13 posted on 01/03/2013 2:09:15 PM PST by cherry
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To: henkster
Wow, if you want a peek into the mind of the insane you should read the comments at the NYT site.

Apparently the biggest reasons for our debt are: the Military (going back to the 1930s, and I'm not kidding), the Republicans, and the vast number of super wealthy; entertainers and athletes who wear $100K watches.

Yes folks, these people are American citizens who actually believe this crap.

14 posted on 01/03/2013 2:25:49 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: iowamark

I’ll bet Brooks is not discounting the cash flow in and out for inflation.


15 posted on 01/03/2013 3:06:11 PM PST by expat2
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To: iowamark

Ultimately, we should blame the American voters.


Really? We just had a year of listening to con man telling the voters they have a right to all trhis largesse from DC.

He told them they could have whatever they wanted if the rich would just pay a little more.

It was the rag this clown works for that let the grifter get away with the lies

It is the “american voter” who pays nothing in taxes that is willing to bankrupt the producers children.


16 posted on 01/03/2013 7:43:45 PM PST by Joshua
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To: iowamark

I can foresee a future where our grandchildren are lining up old people against the wall and shooting them.


17 posted on 01/03/2013 8:08:30 PM PST by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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To: boop

I’m surprised this editorial was EVEN IN the NY Slimes.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 11:36:25 PM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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