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To: niteowl77

Are you calling Jefferson a progressive, or ultimately responsible for progressivism? No. Or is it just that the Democrat Party was founded by Jeffersonians? No again. It dates from Jackson, technically (and actually was formed by Jackson’s little helper, Van Buren). Jeffersonians are different enough from Jacksonians, let alone today’s Democrats. Hell, today’s Democrats don’t even resemble New Deal Democrats.

It has always irked me that just because the parties have kept the same names since Jackson and Lincoln respectively we must pretend as if they’re the same parties. Lincolnians might as well have been Whigs, for all the difference it makes to contemporary Pubs. We have fun rubbing the KKK in Dems’ faces, but is there any essential connection between fictitious Confederate ghosts and today’s Dems? Hell no. They’d be union men, not secessionists. Unless it was the central government who owned slaves instead of private individuals, and instead of seceding they were kicking out the red states so as to have no more tubes in the way of socialization.


16 posted on 01/01/2013 7:17:42 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
We have fun rubbing the KKK in Dems’ faces, but is there any essential connection between fictitious Confederate ghosts and today’s Dems?

Well, you mean besides Robert KKK Byrd, George Wallace, Fritz Hollings, Lester Maddox etc? Union thugs' actions aren't too far removed from Klan behavior.

Then there's the bomb building Occupackers, just busted over the weekend.

Don't forget the National Socialist types that infest the DHHS, disciples of Mr Janet Reno.

How about the environmental terrorists who burn down buildings and spike trees?

RATS all.

18 posted on 01/01/2013 7:39:42 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Tublecane
I'm not calling Jefferson anything. (Although I have over the space of 50 years lost much of my admiration for him.) What I am suggesting is that serious flirtation with "Citoyen Genet" (I use the term generically) was one of Jefferson's errors that unfortunately took root. Jackson (another person I liked less the more I learned about him) deftly managed to use tools forged before his ascension in an America whose institutions had changed greatly, including - as you expressed - the Republican-Democrat party.

Every year the Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner press releases bring out the sarcastic jerk in me, as I know damned well that they'd actually be aghast at being connected with the freakshow that makes up today's Democrat Party... and vice-versa. Having said that, I suspect they'd both be envious of the capability of the current "machine."

Mr. niteowl77

22 posted on 01/01/2013 7:56:53 PM PST by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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