DesertRhino wrote:
“As for individual action, thats the best of all.”
and TheBigJ wrote:
“Ah, but there will be no more free Wacos, that is what’s changed…”
How do you explain the absence of resistance in the door-to-door “gun grab” that went on in New Orleans in the wake of hurricane Katrina? This is a real scenario, vis-a-vis the huffin’ ‘n’ puffin’ I’ve been reading about in this forum. How many gun owners successfully resisted confiscation?
In New Orleans, it was just local police that did the confiscation, is that correct?
Next time, it WON’T be the “locals”. It will be highly-trained units skilled in confiscation and the detection of hidden arms. What will change to make the results different when that day comes?
My earlier predictions stand. If there is an attempt at confiscation, I expect individual resistance, but that alone will not be enough in itself to effectively stop such confiscations, nor will it force an increasingly totalitarian regime to reconsider its tactics. Even the most vocal “resistors” will, as the confrontation looms, think of their families and their own futures. It’s just human nature to do so.
What WILL mount an effective “front” against the DC feds will be the resistance by one or more state governments, under the direction of the governors, supported by the National Guard and state police (and lower police departments) of such states. When the officers of the “gun units” are forced to confront officers of comparable training on the other side, representing a legitimate civilian government, THAT may make the forces of confrontation consider whether their actions are worth continuing...
My take on New Orleans is that it was used as a training exercise under the ICS (FEMA's incident command system) structure. It wasn't a city-wide gun-grab; there were many people in areas of the city that *didn't* flood who sat on their front porches with rifles and shotguns across their laps. Nobody messed with them.
In New Orleans, it was just local police that did the confiscation, is that correct?
No, it was a combination of NOPD and other law-enforcement volunteers from around the country, sometimes accompanied by national guardsmen.
Next time, it WON’T be the “locals”. It will be highly-trained units skilled in confiscation and the detection of hidden arms. What will change to make the results different when that day comes?
New Orleans is a relatively small and geographically isolated city (look at the surrounding bodies of water on Google Earth). Look at the level of effort needed to go after the guns of a small fraction of that city's population, then explain how they'll manage a much larger plan on a state-wide or larger scale.
I don't think they have enough people to accomplish the task. And since you mentioned the Katrina scenario, let's not forget those NOPD officers who chose not to report, or acted against orders and bugged-out.
Katrina was a hurricane disaster, chaos and lack of communications on what was going on. No local law enforcement wasn’t all used, outside agencies from other states including National Guard were used. Local law enforcement with ties to community would not be used, only posted to furthest outer perimeter for security.
“Highly trained” units eh? You mean the SWAT teams that have social hour grouped together on the front lawns after a house raid? bwahahahaa
Again already stated the problems which you’ve ignored, not enough police, etc, the segment of law enforcement that will not follow illegal orders, etc. Sure if governors will stand up with forces that will make a difference as well. Also in the American War for Independence there were trained fighters with experience from French and Indiana wars; similarly, we have such returning veterans from Iraq, Afghanistan, who’s morale and view of the Zero administration probably isn’t too high to put it mildly, after having to deal with laughable rules of engagement that put our troops at risk, and the gender/sex orientation social experiment forced on units.