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To: Neidermeyer

Need to face reality here. Keeping tax rates low for perceived rich people is a loser politically. Hate to say it, but sometimes standing on principle is just flat out stupid and this is one of those times.


4 posted on 12/29/2012 8:58:50 AM PST by Roklok
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Rok,

I have to agree. Within the last week or so I have come to the conclusion that ultimately, there has to be true compromise on this. The thing is, the GOP has already agreed to some tax hikes, and Obama hasn’t accepted it, so they aren’t compromising over at the WH.

At this point, I am more concerned at the huge tax increase I will face in a few days....after just getting diagnosed with testicular cancer of all things...than whether the rich keep their money or not.

Yes, I ultimately believe that raising taxes on the rich is bad as it can impact hiring. That said, I don’t think it would have a huge impact....people didn’t struggle to find jobs in the 1990s boom. But, you know what, the voters voted for this again knowing both sides would still have power, thus making the fiscal cliff yet another fight.

Frankly, I’m sick of the fights every few months. It’s time for something real to be done on our debt, but of course that won’t happen since Obama isn’t up to the challenge (truly a weak president) and the GOP doesn’t have the will.

At this point, I say raise the rates on people making $1 million or more....that might spare at least some of the small business people compared to the 250k.


6 posted on 12/29/2012 9:09:43 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Roklok
There are enough people who believe the federal income tax is just another failed government program that we don't care what anyone tries to do with it, and we can make or break almost any particular member of the House, even the Democrats.

Just abolish it. Figure out a different way to run the government.

BTW, most of the debate on what might or might not happen to the Republican party as a result of Obama's ineptitude is based on two false premises ~ (1) that the voters have no idea Obamugabe is a Democrat, and (2) George Bush is still President.

Obama lost 11% of his 2008 vote ~ and I daresay that was maybe as much as 19% of the black Democrat vote. That's not good. That's at least 6X as many black votes as Republicans have gotten in recent years (note, these guys just walked away ~ didn't vote for a Republican but it shows some serious fractures in the 'self identified as black' faction in the Democrat party coalition.)

Which means black voters aren't as stupid as they want you to believe them to be.

Obama's proposal or taxes will wipe out all the rich black people in America! Jet magazine will notice that.

8 posted on 12/29/2012 9:14:21 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Roklok

Need to face reality here. Keeping tax rates low for perceived rich people is a loser politically. Hate to say it, but sometimes standing on principle is just flat out stupid and this is one of those times.


With the kenyan in the WH taxes are going up and there will be no meaningful spending cuts outside of defense. Too ignore that reality is foolish.

Tactically accepting some tax increases is ok as long as it is clear it is the Obama Plan. Of course it is totally insane to raise taxes in a weak economy and it will fail.

The problem is the beltway GOP has done so little to shape the battlefield. They have meekly allowed the dims to lead them from one crisis to the next.

Boehner with his secret talks and McConnell hiding under his desk have been a disaster. The GOP will continue losing to the marxists with those guys running the show.


11 posted on 12/29/2012 9:16:53 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Roklok

The rich are the ones who support the GOP Pacs, such as the one
Karl Toyko Roves heads. Most grassroots give their money directly
to candidates.
I would not be surprised to see the rich help “retire” some these Rinos
in 2014. In fact, I can see a coalition developing between The Tea Party
and the rich in retiring a lot of these Rinos. Their motivation for retiring
these Rinos may differ, but will unite to retire a lot of Rinos.
Of course, with Bonehead more than willing to work with Rats to pass
bills, nothing much will change. Onward to the collapse we go.


12 posted on 12/29/2012 9:20:53 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Roklok

Yep


17 posted on 12/29/2012 9:28:14 AM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: Roklok
Need to face reality here. Keeping tax rates low for perceived rich people is a loser politically. Hate to say it, but sometimes standing on principle is just flat out stupid and this is one of those times.
No, it is time to draw the line and live with it. How many times have we compromised EVERY TIME it moves us leftward? Compromise now and it one more baby step LEFT (AGAIN!!!!). There is no compromise that would ever move us to the right and there hasn't been for years. The only solution to not moving more left is simple ... stop moving (draw the line) or turn right. Enough "left!"
28 posted on 12/29/2012 10:47:18 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: Roklok
Need to face reality here. Keeping tax rates low for perceived rich people is a loser politically. Hate to say it, but sometimes standing on principle is just flat out stupid and this is one of those times.
No, it is time to draw the line and live with it. How many times have we compromised EVERY TIME it moves us leftward? Compromise now and it one more baby step LEFT (AGAIN!!!!). There is no compromise that would ever move us to the right and there hasn't been for years. The only solution to not moving more left is simple ... stop moving (draw the line) or turn right. Enough "left!"
29 posted on 12/29/2012 10:47:54 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: Roklok
Hate to say it, but sometimes standing on principle is just flat out stupid and this is one of those times.

I say sir, YOU are the problem.

36 posted on 12/29/2012 11:33:50 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: Roklok
but sometimes standing on principle is just flat out stupid and this is one of those times.

Remember how the screamers on this thread insisted it was all about the economy?

We will not raise taxes on the Rich.

or

I will give you free stuff.

So hard to choose.

38 posted on 12/29/2012 11:56:18 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Roklok

What does principle matter in a country that cares so little for the truth, where ignorance and stupidity is king?


49 posted on 12/29/2012 3:22:19 PM PST by windsorknot
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