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Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
Townhall.com ^ | December 26, 2012 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 12/26/2012 5:47:25 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: redangus

Without arrogance and elitism, leftist/liberals wouldn’t have much to fall back on.

They are so much more “advanced” than you that it is simply ridiculous to believe that anything could be done in opposition to the State...

I think Mussolini had a similar point of view.


41 posted on 12/26/2012 7:08:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I totally stumped the most liberal person I work with by a simple challenge, how do you define an assault weapon?

Had a similar situation with a relative at Christmas (I know, avoid politics and religion, but she brought it up). She said she saw no reason why anyone should own an assault weapon. I asked her how she defined an assault weapon and her definition was essentially a fully automatic weapon. I calmly tutored her on the need for a Class 3 license for that and that most of what the Democrats wanted to ban now were semi-automatic rifles, functionally equivalent to a common hunting rifle but which look similar to military rifles. It would be like banning cars with Corvette bodies but Chevette engines because you can race Corvettes.

I don't think I changed her mind, but at least she knows not to poke the bear.

42 posted on 12/26/2012 7:13:14 AM PST by KarlInOhio (I'm tired of being beaten like a malcontent elf so Obama can pretend to be Santa.)
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To: redangus

almost every time I have been in a gun shop in the past 3 months (once every couple of weeks or so), I have seen older women buying their first gun.

One old gal bought a .45 and then asked the dealer to teach her how to shoot it.

He hooked her up with some classes to do just that


43 posted on 12/26/2012 7:17:01 AM PST by digger48
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To: Lazamataz

Me either Laz.

LLS


44 posted on 12/26/2012 7:20:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: Lazamataz

Me either Laz.

LLS


45 posted on 12/26/2012 7:20:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: Kaslin

I saw a pic on FB with the armed guards at Baraq’s kids school. Quite effective!!


46 posted on 12/26/2012 7:21:22 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Kaslin
I would laugh if it didn't hurt so much. The sad truth is that the liberals have not lost a fight since 1990. Ronald Reagan left the White House and we lost our last, best hope of preserving this country. It has been ALL downhill ever since. While the rats didn't win every single battle they have won the war on our culture.

1.Tax cuts? We can't afford them. (we've given in to the idea that the gov't owns all our money)
2. Abortion? Clearly consequence free promiscuity is more important to American woman than is the life of any baby they concieve.
3.Gay 'Rights'? In today's world the good guys fight for gay marriage while the evil old hateful rightwingers oppose them.
4. The American Work Ethic? For chumps only!
5. Living on the Dole. Every American's right!
6. Founding Fathers? Racist, sexist, slave owners.

And on and on and on. The liberals foist one perversion of our culture after another on us and call it normal and good, while those of us who dare say otherwise are pushed off the stage as racist bigots. Music, television and the movies offer debased and depraved 'entertainment' that the masses slurp up like pigs at a trough.

We're living in a world that calls good evil and evil good. And it gets worse every day.

47 posted on 12/26/2012 7:22:21 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: The Working Man; All
What’s changed though is that media no longer fully controls the means of distributing information. The cracks in the “Gate keepers Dam of News worthiness” are about to fail spectacularly.

You, sir, have nailed it. We do not need to control the media for gun control to fail. We need only inject a little common sense and facts. We have been creating enough new media for decades. We have reached a point where we had enough media to puncture the emotional push for "gun control".

48 posted on 12/26/2012 7:26:48 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Kaslin

Early Christmas morning two Binghamton police officers were responding to check on two suspicious men...as they approached the men fired on them...one officer was shot, one bad guy was shot dead. Officer was treated and released. If I want a gun, I should have the right to protect myself from the crazies in this world. By the time police officers could arrive on the scene, I would be dead.


49 posted on 12/26/2012 7:32:02 AM PST by tioga
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To: Kaslin

This author’s optimism apparently results from his view of the issue through rose-colored glasses.


50 posted on 12/26/2012 7:34:08 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Kaslin

Since Newtown, four friends have asked to attend my training class so they can get their LTCs. One is a mom of small kids who told me, “I don’t want to be unable to defend my kids.” Another lives in Boston and walks his dog late at night. I told him that the brain-dead, gun-grabbing Menino would probably deny him an LTC but, as the owner of a large business, he wants to be able to apply for one.


51 posted on 12/26/2012 7:37:46 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Vaquero
>>all politics is local.

No. All politics is personal.

52 posted on 12/26/2012 7:40:14 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Ted Grant

I agree somewhat. Senator Manchin’s 180 degree change was an indicator that those in Congress that aren’t assured of re-election are still looking at one of the third rails of American politics. That Manchin was caught up in the emotion of the moment and felt he had to shove his foot in his mouth is bizarre. He was quickly innundated by the response from West Virginian’s. I still haven’t received a response to my email.

Gore’s campaign debacle is still too fresh to ignore. The Democratic leadership can’t afford to lose the Senate. With gun control, they’re flirting with disaster. Obama may face the last half of his term contending with a Republican controlled Congress.


53 posted on 12/26/2012 7:44:58 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: redangus; All
What I find interesting coming from my liberal friends is their total lack of acceptance that a government could turn on its people to the point that the people would feel compelled to fight back. I always get the eye roll, OMG sigh and the ‘it’s not the 18th century anymore’ comment.
maybe b/c it is becoming apparent; that events are similar / repeating
the 1770s (Boston Tea Party..Boston Massacre ..et al)...
Federal Cronyism / Executive Branch = Monarchism = Totalitarianism, are becoming indisputable similar...
..0'ButtCrack shall sign an EO (01/18/2013 Friday Night), doing what he couldn't
do in Congress..history repeat itself..again..again.

54 posted on 12/26/2012 7:46:40 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: Kaslin

As far as I am concerned, the advocates of more restrictions on firearms ownership have yet to even acknowledge their burden of proof of the efficacy of their proposals. That is, when we outlaw a previously-legal style of firearm and outlaw previously legal accessories to those firearms like 30 round magazines, what level of NET improvement in the public safety should we expect and at what NET cost?

The horrible Sandy Hook massacre started with the murderer shooting his own mother four times in the head while she lay in bed. So, please don’t insult my intelligence by telling me how the law would have stopped even half of the murders on that sad day. But people who propose laws also expect those laws will be enforced and enforcement costs money. They also expect that the new law will bring some concrete improvement in society.

How much money are we going to divert from, say raiding medical marijuana clinics, to hunting down people with newly-outlawed 30 round magazines? This is not an unimportant because with our trillion dollar deficit we can only allocate so much borrowing to fund new government programs. The Sandy Hook massacre invites, we are told by the media, three “national conversations” that the media like David Gregory hopes to control. Those are on firearms regulations, school safety and treatment the mentally disturbed.

The media and politicians appear to have chosen to hold the conversation on firearms first, so that must be the most important one. But when we start to deal with school safety and mental health, those items will eventually have budget impact as surely as night follows day. If we pass changes to firearms law that must of necessity divert expensive law enforcement resources, how much of our borrowing capacity will remain to fund improvements in school safety or mental health services?

And if, based on history documented below, that few of the estimated 100 million magazines in private hands are destroyed or turned in, what level of real public safety improvment are we to get for the money we must spend to enforce the law? Is this a fool errand, or are politicians just pandering to people who see and end to the failed war on drugs and are looking to fund a new (equally fruitless) war on something else? I am beginning to think the latter is sadly true, at least in part.

from:

Gun Restrictions Have Always Bred Defiance, Black Markets
For reasons of their own, most people, in many countries, defy anti-gun laws
J.D. Tuccille | December 22, 2012

In a white paper on the results of gun control efforts around the world, Gun Control and the Reduction of the Number of Arms, Franz Csaszar, a professor of criminology at the University of Vienna, Austria, wrote, “non-compliance with harsher gun laws is a common event.” Dr. Csaszar estimates compliance with Australia’s 1996 ban on self-loading rifles and pump-action shotguns at 20 percent.

...
Csaszar points out that, after Austria prohibited pump-action shotguns in 1995, only 10,557 of the estimated 60,000 such guns in private hands were surrendered or registered.

And when Germany imposed gun registration in 1972, he says, owners complied by filing the appropriate paperwork on 3.2 million firearms. This was a bit awkward, since estimates of civilian stocks were in the 17-20 million range...

...
The high water mark of American compliance with gun control laws may have come with Illinois’s handgun registration law in the 1970s. About 25 percent of handgun owners actually complied, according to Don B.

Kates, a criminologist and civil liberties attorney, writing in the December 1977 issue of Inquiry. After that, about 10 percent of “assault weapon” owners obeyed California’s registration law, says David B. Kopel, research director for Colorado’s Independence Institute, a free-market think-tank, and author of The Samurai, The Mountie, and The Cowboy, a book-length comparison of international firearms policies.

That one-in-10 estimate may have been generous. As the registration period came to a close in 1990, The New
York Times reported “only about 7,000 weapons of an estimated 300,000 in private hands in the state have been registered.”..

article link:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian


55 posted on 12/26/2012 7:55:22 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Kaslin

bkmk


56 posted on 12/26/2012 7:56:53 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: marktwain; The Working Man; All
What’s changed though is that media no longer fully controls the means of distributing information.
The cracks in the “Gate keepers Dam of News worthiness” are about to fail spectacularly.
You, sir, have nailed it. We do not need to control the media for gun control to fail.
We need only inject a little common sense and facts.
We have been creating enough new media for decades.
We have reached a point where we had enough media to puncture
the emotional push for "gun control".
a fantastic points..
now, if the Chattering class / RINOs in
Congress would take notice.

57 posted on 12/26/2012 7:57:40 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: MrB

True. Good observation. I have noticed in my lib friends a tendency to dismiss the recurring dark realities of human nature by an appeal to evolution. My staunch lib friend at work firmly believes humankind will evolve into a weaponless peaceful race bent on creating new habitats for humanity, colonizing Mars and beyond. The Star Trek psychosis. But as a Christian, I don’t see human nature getting better and better, not without the miraculous intervention of God, and even then, only on His terms and His time table. I think that difference in vision is central to understanding the conflict between liberals and conservatives, and we would do well to address it in our conservative apologetics.


58 posted on 12/26/2012 8:10:45 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Kaslin
Put your seat belt on. ITS THE LAW!
59 posted on 12/26/2012 8:11:35 AM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Indeed, it always comes back to your worldview and the assumptions that it’s based on.

If you haven’t read Sowell’s “Conflict of Visions”, I highly recommend it. Especially if you have your “Jesus eyes”, ie, see the world from a biblical perspective.


60 posted on 12/26/2012 8:17:36 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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