yeah, i guess that was a bad example...
Posted on 12/24/2012 3:45:03 PM PST by neverdem
Mental-health experts are wrong. Untreated, the seriously mentally ill are prone to violence.
While virtually the entire nation unites around the reasonable proposition that people with serious mental illnesses should not own assault weapons, one group takes umbrage: mental-health experts. In the wake of incidents such as the one at Newtown, the experts immediately issue press releases claiming that people with mental illness are no more violent than others, leading to the conclusion that people with serious mental illness should not be the target of gun-control efforts.
How can the chasm be so wide? Who is right? The public that believes mental illness is associated with violence, or the experts who claim it is not? The science of violence becomes clear when you look at the totality of violence studies versus any single study. The definitive answer is: It depends on who is mentally ill.
Studies of the 40 to 50 percent of Americans whom mental-health experts claim have some “diagnosable mental disorder” support the claim that “persons with mental illness are not more violent than others.” But the populations in those studies are disingenuously large. Studies of the 5 percent of Americans with the most serious mental illnesses — primarily schizophrenia and treatment-resistant bipolar disorder — who are receiving treatment also support the claim of mental-health experts that persons with mental illness are not more violent than others. But these studies prove only that treatment works, not that persons with mental illness are not more prone to violence. Studies of the 5 percent subgroup of the most seriously mentally ill who are not in treatment and are psychotic, delusional, or hallucinating, or are off treatment that has previously prevented them from being violent, are in fact more prone to violence than others. When people ask whether the mentally ill are more violent, they usually mean this group of severely ill individuals and not about their friends on Zoloft, Prozac, etc.
The mental-health establishment claims that people with mental illness are no more prone to violence than others. At the same time, it claims that, to prevent violence, more money is needed for mental-health treatment. Both claims cannot be true.
There is another gap in the logic of these mental-health experts. They think they are doing a good job with limited resources, but the public disagrees. Over $100 billion is spent on mental health. When more money goes into the system, more people get diagnosed as needing services. The incremental funding is rarely used for the most seriously ill. Witness California: In 2005, California voters passed the Mental Health Services Act, a 1 percent tax on millionaires to provide services for people with “serious mental illness.” As someone with a mentally ill relative, I thank Californians for that. But when the money rolled in, the mental-health system turned their backs on the seriously mentally ill. The California mental-health system diverted money to fund hip-hop car washes, gardens for Hmong, massage chairs for government employees, and public-relations firms to convince the public that all is well. The mental-health experts investigated these reports and found nothing wrong. The state auditor is investigating, and I believe her conclusion will differ.
The mental-health system claims more money is needed to identify who is mentally ill. Not true. Jared Loughner, who shot Gabrielle Giffords; James Holmes, who shot up a movie theater in Aurora; John Hinckley Jr., who shot President Reagan; James Bassler, who shot the former mayor of Fort Bragg; Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who mailed explosive packages; Ian Stawicki, who shot five others and himself in a Seattle café; Eduardo Sencion, who shot National Guardsmen at a Nevada IHOP restaurant; Russell Weston, who shot two guards at the U.S. Capitol building; and Adam Lanza, who shot his mother, 26 others, and himself in Newtown, Conn. — all were all known to be ill before they became a headline. The problem wasn’t lack of identification. It was lack of treatment.
Those of us who wish to improve care for men and women who are most seriously afflicted with mental illness enjoy broad public support. The police are on our side. The parents of persons with serious mental illness are on our side. People with serious mental illness themselves are on our side. The mental-health establishment is not, and that is who politicians listen to.
Who’s crazy?
— D. J. Jaffe is executive director of Mental Illness Policy Org., a think tank specializing in serious mental illness, not mental health.
Exactly, at least a three round burst.
Don’t let these gun-grabbing dirtballs refer to semiautomatic rifles as “assault weapons.”
I try not to. I prefer to use the phrase so called “assault weapons.”
Automatic rifle, machine gun, submachine gun and machine pistol were not appropriate. Semiautomatic rifles didn't sound bad enough. So, it appears Josh Sugarmann made up the term out of whole cloth. And the BS media has been using it for two decades, sometimes showing automatic rifles firing instead. The BS media even has the gall to call 5.56 x 45 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm ammo high powered! It's agitprop. Don't call them main stream or lame stream media anymore. They are BS media. If they question you, you tell them most people know what bravo sierra means, and it's not Bachelor of Science.
Mental-health professionals are reliably liberal and reliably oppose segregating and sanctioning people for cause, who have certain mental impairments.
Homosexuality is a paraphilia, but mental-health professionals (led by homosexual psychiatrists and psychologists) have bent over backwards, over the last 40 years, to insist that homosexuals are not more self-destructive or recidivist than other persons, in the case of offending homosexuals (pederasts, e.g.), and that AIDS/HIV vectors should not be "stigmatized" by quarantining -- this last demand was slammed onto the table back in 1981 by gay political activists. Homosexual HIV-positive men proceeded to spread the epidemic far and wide and turn a medical curiosity into a microbiological meatgrinder.
The commies in Cuba got one thing right right, that quarantine.
Cook County shut down its mental hospital over a decade ago. Few families can assist, pay for or manage a seriously, dangerously mentally ill person. I suspect at the root of much of the homeless and violently mentally ill people are urban Democrat policies.
Someone should investigate it and shed some light on this.
I’ve heard 1 in 5 inmates are mentally ill....The largest Mental Health Institution in PA is now the Allegheny Co. Jail.
I suspect at the root of much of the homeless and violently mentally ill people are urban Democrat policies.....Just read the history of Philadelphia State Hospital. The Lawyer who was at the head of the assault to release the 7,000 inmates sued the state, got payment from the state, and then sued the state for releasing them. BIG time lib who didn’t give a crap about the patients, but man, did he LOVE the money.
That same thing happened in Illinois. It caused an explosion in homelessness and crime.
In North Dakota, one is legally permitted to use lethal force to intervene on behalf of a third party to prevent/mitigate the serious bodily injury or death of that third party.
Rape is included in the definition of "serious bodily injury".
Of course my wife is faithful, ergo, the intervention would be justifiable under the letter of the law.
No insanity defense is necessary, instead it would be the lawful use of force on behalf of one who is being seriously injured.
Laws may vary in your jurisdiction. Learn them.
Unfortunately, whether they were on a continued regimen of medication or not, the majority of mass murderers seem to be taking or have taken one or more of these medications. That may be correlative rather than causative, but the potential for a link should be investigated further.
Of all the schemes the government has cooked up to spend the money we haven't been taxed yet, some of the most useful have been discarded--I'd rather the TSA budget was used to provide inpatient treatment for the most violent of the psychologically afflicted than groping people at airports, for instance, and I think it would do more to keep all of us safer--but then, the ugly problem of who decides who is sane rears its head.
I agree that those who summarily decry the concept of institutionalization may be a few brews short of a six pack.
Zoloft, Prozac, etc., are in the class of antidepressants called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs. Those who inherit a slower version of the enzyme called CYP2D6, those who had a recent increase in the dose of their SSRI and those who happened to take other legal drugs and other legal substances that increase serotonin levels can experience what's called serotonin syndrome. It can be really bad news with physical signs and symptoms as well as psychotic behavior. Pardon the NY Times source, but it explains it very well for the general public.
Neighbor says Lanza was on meds, links between SSRIs and violence
Googling asperger's ssri will get 290,000 hits. That 2nd link has a list of school shooters and other killers as well as suicides on SSRIs. I'm waiting for a credible story about Lanza'a toxicology report.
yeah, i guess that was a bad example...
The mental health “profession” is probably more worried about “Islamaphobia,” “homophobia” and other violations of Marxist groupthink than they are about real mental illness.
Spot on.
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