The MSM and politicians blame honest law abiding Americans for this and other recent tragedies. They ignore what is actually happening.
Not only that, but it is horrible policy to allow mentally unstable people out in public where they can be a threat to society if they don’t take their meds.
People thought out-patient therapy and pharmacology would be enough to deal with mental illness, and they were wrong.
However, lets continue to ignore that and ban guns, since Obamacare already got passed and we don’t need the mentally ill as a talking point anymore.
nonsense, it’s dem white devils what be making all de trouble. It da white man. de white man I tell tou.
psychiatry and psychology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. These psychologists and psychiatrists are a danger to society.
The sad reality is that, no amount of gun control laws is going to prevent future shootings and the reality is that these meds just do not work, they make things worse.
Plus also we are dealing not only with medical issues, but issues of “spritual warfare”.
I read yesterday the police had found no evidence of medication in the Lanza home and were getting a warrant for medical records. Not sure that we can confirm yet that this one was on SSRI’s..
That said, I also read that the first mass murder shooting in a school occurred in 1990. The first SSRI, Prozac, went on the market in 1988.
Bttt
I’m fortunate to not have much experience with psyc-related fields. About my only personal observation is that all the psyc majors in college were bat-guano crazy.
So I’m curious exactly how much training these professionals have in chemistry/pharmacology (both initially and during the course of their careers to update their training) before they’re allowed to hand out prescriptions for dangerous meds seemingly like they hand out Halloween candy.
I can’t seem to get a script for a simple common allery medication that has minimal side effects without an impramtur from a MD/DO.
I have NO scientific evidence, but I have LONG thought that drugging up our kids is a recipe for disaster, stop-gap for lazy parenting, etc.
I think kids need to work through their social and personal issues in order to learn how to cope and function in society.
The problem with SSRIs is that they can “work” for depression by making you so that you just don’t care about anything, including people. The result is that your life still may suck, but you don’t really give a flip anymore. One can become inured to the feelings or well-being of others. And, what they don’t do, IMO, is restore a sense of joy, fulfillment, or connection to loved ones.
It is easy for me to see how they can certainly increase the possibility of violence in a young, labile, disaffected man. More attention needs to be paid to this possible connection, and people on SSRIs need to be closely scrutinized for signs of sociopathic behavior.
news flash- 90% of school shootings linked to mentally ill people who were being treated for their illness
Let’s just take all the mentally ill off meds and see what happens? In the case of teens, a few good spankings ought
to cure their naughty fantasies
BTW now reported that Adama Lanza was NOT on medication
Have you guys listened to the fast legal speak toward the end of these commercials advertising some of these drugs?
If you experience vivid dreams, mood swings, thoughts of suicide, depression....
I turn to my wife and say, “damn, the drug sounds worse then the condition.”
Causes heightened thoughts of suicide? What’s wrong with this picture?
One change that is needed is to promptly end the psychiatric privacy rights of dead, obviously guilty, mass shooters. For the rarer surviving mass shooters consider include same as part of their sentences. There is a legit debate as to whether psych meds, and the rest of the mental health system contributed to, or could have prevented mass murder. These perps threw away any right to privacy. We need to understand what was/wasn't done with them by the system so we can improve it. 'Privacy' is blocking that. The fix, at least initially, should include fairly strong liability protection for the system. Currently we need to understand what has been and could be done with potential mass killers much more than we need mass lawsuits and circular firing squads.
Don't limit the fix to mass shooters. The Chicoms had a 20+ mass child stabber the same day as Sandy Hook and the Brit press is trying to ban 'long' kitchen knives. The problem is their abnormal psychology, not which tool they misuse. We neither want mass shootings nor soviet style psych prisons for the innocent. Open investigation of those guilty beyond any doubt may help find a happy medium approach.
Chicken vs egg.
Cause or effect
Attempts to treat crazy sometimes fail does not mean attempts to treat crazy always fail.
Was treatment too little too late?
Unfortunately using drugs to make people “manageable” is not only applied to our young people, but also the elderly (who are no threat with guns)/
If you don’t believe me, go visit a nursing home.
Psych meds suppress the symptoms of a much deeper problem. The problem remains, but the person walks around with a happy face and the psychologists are happy.
I often wonder how supposedly intelligent people can make such colossal mistakes.
If you have an unstable person, and give him meds, he is still an unstable person, but no one sees the instability.
It’s been reported the LE didn’t find any meds at the home.
100% of these events were caused by sick wackos.
That irrational acts correllate strongly with significant mental illness is obvious. But blaming psychiatric drugs for causing the effects of mental illness is like blaming plaster casts for broken bones.
I suspect that in 99.99% of cases, patients referred for mental health treatment who end up on “psyche drugs” have demonstrated mental illness beforehand. Psychiatric meds might be “overprescribed”, or not. Is there a basis for either assertion?
From observing the travails of local bipolar and other individuals on Prozac type meds, I could readily believe that:
1) it is very difficult to find the “right mix” of meds;
2) the “right mix” changes over time as the patients, especially young ones, age, react, and change biochemically;
3) the patients dislike the side effects and often manage not to take the drugs consistently or at all;
4) coming off the drugs is especially dangerous (here is where it might be argued that the drugs have a role in causing violent episodes, but that risks underevaluating what the patients might have done without meds);
5) psyche drugs don’t always work or work the same for all patients;
6) in a lot of cases, the desire to avoid institutionalizing the patient causes irrational expectations that drugs can fix an intractable problem; and,
7) we hear of the disasters, but the successes go unseen. What would be interesting are real stats on how many cases are out there, how many are “successfully” treated with meds compared to failures, etc.
I used to go with a woman who started taking psychiatric prescribed drugs for mental problems. The more drugs she took, the worse her behavior became...despite reassurances from county counselors that she would get better taking the drugs. I eventually had to leave her before I woke up with a butcher knife in my chest. If you’ve ever had a person stand over you with a butcher knife in their hand threatening to commit suicide, you don’t know if they’re going to kill themselves or kill you. I got out while the getting was good.
