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Without Babies, Can Japan Survive?
The New York Times ^
| December 15, 2012
| ALEXANDRA HARNEY
Posted on 12/18/2012 6:35:11 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: allmendream
No, they won’t survive. It’s as simple as that. It doesn’t take that long either. They’ve already ensured that 60 million Japanese people will no longer be there.
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posted on
12/19/2012 11:21:31 AM PST
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
To: PapaBear3625
And there we go - now your goodies policy is working against it’s intended purpose, in paying the same money to childless married couples and adopted children. ;)
That didn’t take long, did it? Eventually, this will go to unmarried women (since it’s not fair that only married people get it).
Best to cut spending that rewards behavior that we do not want to see.
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posted on
12/19/2012 11:23:27 AM PST
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
japan will survive, for as an Asian country, unlike its European and American counterparts, it has kept its identity. Nevertheless, and ironically, Korea is becoming the new Japan, and with China will lead Asia to its zenith in years to come.
and NO, you won't be given their nationality as easily as the "West" dealt out theirs.
To: JCBreckenridge
Look, I know this is counterintuitive, but 1/1, 1/2, 1/4, and so on and so on. Euthanasia doesnt solve the problem of each generation being half the size of the previous generation. Youd have half the workers you had previous. Even if you killed everyone at 65, you still will have a worker shortage. A lot of the problem is that Japan is crowded and the price of real estate is high for the average home buyer. As the population shrinks this will reverse.
As far as a worker shortage, that isn't the problem. The problem is the ratio of workers to people being supported by the workers. If you kill off the old people, you no longer have to pay their pensions and health care.
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posted on
12/19/2012 11:51:48 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: JCBreckenridge
And there we go - now your goodies policy is working against its intended purpose, in paying the same money to childless married couples and adopted children. ;) It doesn't matter so much, as long as Japanese children are being born (children adopted from overseas would not count).
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posted on
12/19/2012 11:54:02 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: PapaBear3625
You might want to check demand curves if you don’t think a shrinking population is a bad thing. If there’s no demand, then many, many people, are going to go out of business. That’s not also addressing the fact that their national debt is still the same. Japan is going to collapse.
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posted on
12/19/2012 11:59:58 AM PST
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
To: GOPJ
Liberals speak with such glee when they talk about the United States being a 'brown' country in 50 years. The way they talk you'd think there weren't any 'brown' countries in the world. There are - they're all over the place ... many, many, many 'brown' countries. Maybe liberals would be so kind as to point out all the wonderful, highly productive, well governed and free 'brown' countries... Or even a 'brown' country where a person can buy something from a store and return it the next day... for a full refund. We'd like to share the liberals' glee with us becoming 'brown' - they need to share more...
Churchill once noted that the most productive countries were Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
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posted on
12/19/2012 12:27:08 PM PST
by
klgator
To: JCBreckenridge
If theres no demand, then many, many people, are going to go out of business. There will be fewer consumers, but there will also be fewer workers to produce things with. The Japanese will survive. Japanese socialism will probably die, but the Japanese will survive.
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posted on
12/19/2012 12:55:06 PM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: PapaBear3625
You’re just not getting it. People are not a negative. Fewer people = no jobs.
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posted on
12/19/2012 1:16:57 PM PST
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
To: JCBreckenridge
Youre just not getting it. People are not a negative. Fewer people = no jobs. I understand what you're saying. I just disagree with your premise.
What matters more is the ratio of producers to dependents (defined as people who do not produce, but depend on being supported by those who do).
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posted on
12/19/2012 3:51:43 PM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
To: PapaBear3625
The dirty little secret is that most people with kids already pay next nothing in federal taxes (unless they’re in the 5%)...so giving a credit won’t amount to much, relative to the cost of raising kids.
Like it or not, it’s going to take activist government to deal with this issue - something that Japan can still do, even if we cannot.
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posted on
12/19/2012 4:00:03 PM PST
by
BobL
(Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
To: JCBreckenridge
“I know the policy is well meaning, but I dont think it would work well. Wed be better off cutting off policies that reward shacking up than we would be trying to help married women.”
Obviously stay married in a conventional marriage. But none of my ideas will see the light of day. The liberals hate them because it means more (high-quality) kids, the conservatives hate them because it means more big-government.
So we watch our society, and country, wither on the vine, until it is too weak to defend itself (30 to 50 years hence). It sucks, but that WILL BE the inevitable outcome (to borrow some words from the old Star Trek).
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posted on
12/19/2012 4:02:55 PM PST
by
BobL
(Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
To: BobL
People don’t like your ideas because they suck.
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posted on
12/19/2012 4:07:56 PM PST
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
To: BobL
Let’s flip this around. What if you were to give money to husbands for every child they had.
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posted on
12/19/2012 4:09:00 PM PST
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
To: PapaBear3625
Everyone produces. What is important is directing the production in a profitable fashion.
Less demand = fewer businesses. Fewer businesses = less economy of scale.
What will happen is that things will get more expensive to produce (per unit cost), and productivity will go down - once you have everyone under 40 or so afflicted by this.
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posted on
12/19/2012 4:11:33 PM PST
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
To: JCBreckenridge
“People dont like your ideas because they suck.”
...and your solution is...
I didn’t think you had jack, so go back to playing with yourself.
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posted on
12/19/2012 5:26:54 PM PST
by
BobL
(Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
To: BobL
“She seemed to seethe at me, for some reason.”
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Maybe she saw in you something similar to what you said you see in pretty non-immigrant girls.
.
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posted on
12/19/2012 5:31:16 PM PST
by
Mears
To: MinorityRepublican
I'd be happy to help out with that
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posted on
12/19/2012 5:31:39 PM PST
by
Mr. K
(Sign: "Gun Free Zone- Criminals: This Means You!" <-- democrap thinking)
To: Mears
“Maybe she saw in you something similar to what you said you see in pretty non-immigrant girls.”
You meant that they are nightmares for wives?
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posted on
12/19/2012 5:40:02 PM PST
by
BobL
(Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
To: MinorityRepublican
We should send them all our Liberal Americans. Now you may think that a bit harsh but they are due some payback...
for this: Click here!
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posted on
12/19/2012 6:08:59 PM PST
by
Mad Dawgg
(If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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