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To: Post Toasties
Such estimates are not based on facts in any way - just wishful thinking by the ignorant and irresponsible with an axe to grind since no record exists of any program of extermination of Indians, at least in within the current boundaries of the United States.

By you own confession, you can't produce numbers any more valid than anyone else, so you can't prove any numbers I produce are wrong.

Unless you can provide such verifiable specific documented records with numbersx, you will in have in effect conceded my point.

So let's see, if neither of us can produce verifiable numbers, then I conceded your point?

So, a total number over 200 years of...

Trying to frame the debate around the last 200 years? Nice try, but it started in the 1400s.

several tens of thousands is reasonable for the territory covering the United States, noting that most of these were actually combat casualties in which Whites also were killed in substantial numbers.

First of all, killing tens of thousands while in the act of invasion and ethnic cleansing is an atrocity all by itself, although you don't seem to think so. Furthermore, if whites were killed in substantial numbers, they were killed while committing these acts.

The actual deaths by combat may have been in the tens of thousands, although even the US government says it's in the hundreds of thousands - no one knows for sure - but the diseases brought by Europeans to America are estimated to have killed millions of Natives who had no immunity to them. But I guess you don't have a problem with that either. After all, we didn't mean to infect them, it just accidentally happened while we were invading them and stealing their land, right?

Actually, these figures are probably good...

"Probably good", is that all you have? Pathetic.

Anyway, here are some estimates which, according to your logic, prove your estimates wrong since you can't produce solid numbers to refute them.

BTW, may I conclude that you agree with the point I was making in the post you originally replied to, which is that blaming violent video games for these shooting outbreaks is wrong?

284 posted on 12/16/2012 2:11:38 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I accept your concession that there have been only some tens of thousands of American Indians killed by white people in North America during the last 500 years, mostly in combat situations, as the figures show, although you have been a remarkably poor sport about it.

You should thank me, actually, for disabusing you of the idiot Leftist propaganda that 'millions' of native americans have been murdered by whites during this period. You wouldn't want to go around coming off like an imbecile in the future to other people with over room temperature IQs with this manifestly impossible claim that white people in North American murdered millions of native americans over the last 500 years, now would you? Especially since you clearly can't back any of this BS up to save your life?

Video games most certainly can desensitize people to others humanity making it easier for them to kill. The military and police use realistic simulations, including videos, for this exact reason.

285 posted on 12/16/2012 4:58:47 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Give me a break. ‘Disease’ is specifically excluded from any consideration here unless you are willing to say that ‘disease’ is the same as an act of violence, say in a video game. In that case, I would consider you as out to lunch as this Adam Lanza freak. Effed up Lefties.


286 posted on 12/16/2012 5:04:04 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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