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To: Olog-hai
“Let’s do something that’s real unusual in this town. Let’s talk about accountability. I don’t care whoever you are. The position the speaker’s in right now—if there’s any blame to be placed, it’s squarely on his shoulders,” said Rep. Jeff Landry (R-La.). …

I do not know what kind of "blame" they are talking about. The "fiscal cliff" is owned by the "tax and spend" Democrats. The Democrats exist to increase taxes (like a fish loves water), and then blame the Republicans.

If the Republicans agree to raise taxes, then there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats in my opinion. When the Republicans in Virginia raised taxes, I moved to "Independent" status; saves me money.

10 posted on 12/13/2012 3:06:56 AM PST by olezip
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To: olezip

Who agreed to the cliff to begin with?
Who has had a year to come up with a plan?
Who just said they would agree to an 850 Billion dollar tax increase?

Yet who is electing Boehner to be Speaker again?

The blame is not on one sholder, there is plenty to go around, but of course the major burden is on the Speaker, and he is a major part of the problem.


13 posted on 12/13/2012 4:34:06 AM PST by Venturer
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To: olezip

The blame here is that the republican leader is responsible for presenting the republican plan, and there is no republican plan.

If you are going to say that the democrats have a bad plan, you need to put out your own plan. Right now, they can’t vote on the alternate republican plan, because there is no alternate republican plan.

Boehner instead has decided to skip the whole “pass a republican plan”, and go straight to “get an agreement so we only have to vote on that”.

I believe politically his thought is that if they only vote for the compromise, it can’t be held against them by democrats in 2014, and that republicans will be so outraged by the democrats and obamacare by then that they will vote republican no matter what happens.

If they instead pass their own plan, it will have to have significant cuts, especially if they are trying to replace the defense cuts with other cuts. Every cut will be highlighted the next two years to show how republicans hate the poor and middle class, and were willing to destroy them to help keep rich people happy.

Boehner thinks first that this could hurt us, and that somehow if he plays this right, the democrats WON’T just say those things anyway.

Flake appears to be saying that he just wants to stop playing games, and present the actual plan we have, no matter how unpopular it is. Lets vote on it, so we can say we tried, before we compromise.


20 posted on 12/13/2012 8:12:58 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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