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To: C. Edmund Wright; wagglebee

I’ve seen very few posters who have labored so persistently to ensure that their beliefs are incapable of being discerned. Is that your intent?


579 posted on 12/14/2012 7:58:31 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
I’ve seen very few posters who have labored so persistently to ensure that their beliefs are incapable of being discerned.

And those few have pretty much all been trolls.

581 posted on 12/14/2012 8:01:28 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Oh really? Were we even discussing BELIEFS? Or were we discussing strategy and reality? My BELIEF is that America would be better if not a single person was in favor of gay marriage, let alone involved in one. My BELIEF is that gay marriage is wrong, for so many reasons. My BELIEF is that there are cultural consequences to all of us as a result.

I also BELIEVE that millions of Americans do not share those BELIEFS and that includes our current re-elected President, at least four members, and maybe more, - of the Supreme Court including the two youngest members, and probably 55 Senators or more. I have no ability to change this, and I BELIEVE that is true of you too.

Therefore, I BELIEVE that the best way to attack this issue is by way of the states, as well as avenues outside of politics altogether. I also BELIEVE there are other more immediate threats to our freedoms, and I BELIEVE that when we lose those freedoms, we will inherently lose this battle and ALL OTHERS by definition. This is one of the reasons I BELIEVE that the stte route is the best.

I also BELIEVE that this is a complicated and difficult legal and political issue even though I BELIEVE it is a straight forward moral issue. I BELIEVE it is reasonable to have this understanding of it. I BELIEVE in a free society we will never have the legal authority to demand that everyone BELIEVE as we do, since freedom icludes the freedom to be wrong, to a point.

I BELIEVE this was Becks’ point, though I do not KNOW for sure. I also BELIEVE that my BELIEFS are consistent with many others, including Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and many fine Freepers. Again, I BELIEVE this is the case.

I also BELIEVE that some Freepers think gay marriage is the number one issue. I BELIEVE that is their right. I BELIEVE it is foolish and counterproductive for those who BELIEVE that gay marriage is the most immediate issue to condemn those who BELIEVE as I do as sell outs, RINOs, closet gays, closet pro aborts, and so on.

I believe some people we’ve elected are all of the above, but I BELIEVE it is absurd to assume that I, or Reagan, or Rush, or Palin, etc, to be such.
I also BELIEVE that it is intellectually shallow and bankrupt to do so.

And I BELIEVE that I have now made my self clear, though I BELIEVE I had already done so for anyone who was actually interested in having an adult conversation. And as stated, I BELIEVE this entire discussion was really about STRATEGY and TACTICS and not BELIEFS in the first place, and I BELIEVE that those who insist otherwise were looking for a fight, and not a discussion, from the get go.

I BELIEVE they sadly got what they wanted.


586 posted on 12/14/2012 8:18:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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