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To: kimtom
Someone who accepts Jesus as their savior is a Christian. The Pope is not just a Christian, he is also the leader of about a billion Christians, and a renowned Biblical scholar.

It is a fact that the less educated someone is the more likely they are to be a creationist - and that creationism is not popular anywhere else but in the Islamic world. A few scientists that you can list that believe in creationism is anecdotal evidence and does nothing to erase the overwhelming trend that the less educated someone is the more likely it is that they are a creationist.

Creationism is useless because it leads to no further discovery or prediction. It is an ‘answer’ that leads nowhere.

A chimp is still a chimp. And when you look at the DNA of a chimp and compare it to a human and a gorilla - the chimp is more similar in DNA to a human than it is to a gorilla. That is a fact and a reality that you can either deal with or not.

“evilution?” How cretarded.

What explanation are you going to use to describe how differences in human populations came about? What theory is going to explain why we need a different flu shot every year? What explanation are you going to utilize to understand and predict how antibiotic resistance arises within populations of bacteria that plague humans?

How do you explain how all present species arose from those few ‘kinds’ that could fit on the Ark? Do you think all species of rats and mice arose from a rodent ‘kind’?

Thanks. I will pray for you.

240 posted on 12/13/2012 2:01:37 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
I will answer you, but not will shorten your statements for sake of space. Anyone interested must look at the afore statements:

“..Someone who accepts Jesus as their savior is a Christian. The Pope is not (just) a Christian, he is also the leader of about a billion Christians, and a renowned Biblical scholar...”

“..Not all who cry , Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of the Father
(in Heaven)” “ Even the devils believe and tremble.....”
The “pope” is human, therefore fallible, He is also Wrong, so are you. He is only a “leader” of a sect of people, and does not represent the majority of Christians and their respective faiths.

“..It is a fact that the less educated .... are a creationist.....”

This is an absurd statement,it shows ignorance to the highest degree. I am educated, therefore you put me in this category.(not even in the misguided one at that!!)

“... Creationism is useless because it leads to no further discovery or prediction. It is an ‘answer’ that leads nowhere.,,,”

Not true! most of the early scientist were creationist. And for your information, creationist believe in science and discovery (HOW ridiculous). Science FACTS support the bible, NOT the other way around.

“... A chimp .....look at the DNA of a chimp and compare it to a human and a gorilla .....either deal with or not...”

WHAT are you trying to say??? we came from apes??? Just say it!!! You believe we evolved from lesser forms??? say it!!!

“... “evilution?” How cretarded....”

Atheistic Evolution (as accepted) is Evil, Those accepting it are evil or ignorant. (since it is NOT based on science, but more of a belief system)

“..... What explanation are you going to use ........bacteria that plague humans?.....”

SIN

“...How do you explain how all present species.......from a rodent ‘kind’?.....”

Observable and proven. The varieties within species is an established fact.

“......Thanks. I will pray for you......”

Thanks! I need all the prayers I can get!!!!
However,....(only) “..the prayers of a righteous man availeth much...”

241 posted on 12/14/2012 4:15:48 AM PST by kimtom (USA on the Brink, Now Falling over the edge)
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To: allmendream
Someone who accepts Jesus as their savior is a Christian. The Pope is not just a Christian, he is also the leader of about a billion Christians, and a renowned Biblical scholar.

It is a true statement that acceptance of Jesus Christ as Savior is Christian. I have heard it said ignorance is not a sin but Peter describes the majority as being willingly ignorant about there being THREE different heaven/earth ages. That first heaven/earth world/age that was destroyed, and there was even a flood and nothing in flesh survived. I have yet to see the pope demonstrating any Biblical scholarship regarding Peter's own words.

242 posted on 12/14/2012 4:23:33 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: allmendream
Since you like the chimp (biology) even though discussion is geology, note following; your statement; (proves nothing, but implies....?) "..A chimp is still a chimp. And when you look at the DNA of a chimp and compare it to a human and a gorilla - the chimp is more similar in DNA to a human than it is to a gorilla. That is a fact and a reality that you can either deal with or not...." "The claim of 98% similarity between chimpanzees and humans is not only deceptive and misleading, but also scientifically incorrect. Today, scientists are finding more and more differences in DNA from humans and chimps. For instance, a 2002 research study proved that human DNA was at least 5% different from chimpanzees—and that number probably will continue to grow as we learn all of the details about human DNA (Britten, 2002)."

"One year following Watson and Crick’s Nobel ceremony, chemist Emile Zuckerkandl observed that the protein sequence of hemoglobin in humans and the gorilla differed by only 1 out of 287 amino acids. Zuckerkandl noted: “From the point of view of hemoglobin structure, it appears that the gorilla is just an abnormal human, or man an abnormal gorilla, and the two species form actually one continuous population” (1963, p. 247). "

"Jonathan Marks, (department of anthropology, University of California, Berkeley) has pointed out the often-overlooked problem with this “similarity” line of thinking."

"Because DNA is a linear array of those four bases—A,G,C, and T—only four possibilities exist at any specific point in a DNA sequence. The laws of chance tell us that two random sequences from species that have no ancestry in common will match at about one in every four sites. Thus even two unrelated DNA sequences will be 25 percent identical, not 0 percent identical (2000, p. B-7).

Therefore a human and any earthly DNA-based life form must be at least 25% identical. Would it be correct, then, to state that daffodils are “one-quarter human”? The idea that a flower is one-quarter human is neither profound nor enlightening; it is outlandishly ridiculous! There is hardly any biological comparison that could be conducted that would make daffodils human—except perhaps DNA. Marks went on to concede: Moreover, the genetic comparison is misleading because it ignores qualitative differences among genomes.... Thus, even among such close relatives as human and chimpanzee, we find that the chimp’s genome is estimated to be about 10 percent larger than the human’s; that one human chromosome contains a fusion of two small chimpanzee chromosomes; and that the tips of each chimpanzee chromosome contain a DNA sequence that is not present in humans (B-7, emp. added).

The truth is, if we consider the absolute amount of genetic material when comparing primates and humans, the 1-2% difference in DNA represents approximately 80 million different nucleotides (compared to the 3-4 billion nucleotides that make up the entire human genome). To help make this number understandable, consider the fact that if evolutionists had to pay you one penny for every nucleotide in that 1-2% difference between the human and the chimp, you would walk away with $800,000. Given those proportions, 1-2% does not appear so small, does it? "

"One of the downfalls of previous molecular genetic studies has been the limit at which chimpanzees and humans could be compared accurately. Scientists often would use only 30 or 40 known proteins or nucleic acid sequences, and then from those extrapolate their results for the entire genome. Today, however, we have the majority of the human genome sequences, practically all of which have been released and made public. This allows scientists to compare every single nucleotide base pair between humans and primates—something that was not possible prior to the human genome project. In January 2002, a study was published in which scientists had constructed and analyzed a first-generation human chimpanzee comparative genomic map. This study compared the alignments of 77,461 chimpanzee bacterial artificial chromosome (BAC) end sequences to human genomic sequences. Fujiyama and colleagues “detected candidate positions, including two clusters on human chromosome 21, that suggest large, nonrandom regions of differences between the two genomes” (2002, 295:131). In other words, the comparison revealed some “large” differences between the genomes of chimps and humans.

Amazingly, the authors found that only 48.6% of the whole human genome matched chimpanzee nucleotide sequences. [Only 4.8% of the human Y chromosome could be matched to chimpanzee sequences.] This study compared the alignments of 77,461 chimpanzee sequences to human genomic sequences obtained from public databases. Of these, 36,940 end sequences were unable to be mapped to the human genome (295:131). Almost 15,000 of those sequences that did not match human sequences were speculated to “correspond to unsequenced human regions or are from chimpanzee regions that have diverged substantially from humans or did not match for other unknown reasons” (295:132). While the authors noted that the quality and usefulness of the map should “increasingly improve as the finishing of the human genome sequence proceeds” (295:134), the data already support what creationists have said for years—the 98-99% figure representing DNA similarity is grossly misleading, as revealed in a study carried out by Roy Britten of the California Institute of Technology (see Britten, 2002). .."

REFERENCES:

Barbulescu, Madalina, Geoffrey Turner, Mei Su, Rachel Kim, Michael I. Jensen-Seaman, Amos S. Deinard, Kenneth K. Kidd, and Jack Lentz (2001), “A HERV-K Provirus in Chimpanzees, Bonobos, and Gorillas, but not Humans,” Current Biology, 11:779-783.

Britten, Roy J. (2002), “Divergence between Samples of Chimpanzee and Human DNA Sequences is 5%, Counting Intels,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 99:13633-13635, October 15.

Coghlan, Andy (2002), “Human-chimp DNA Difference Trebled,ׇ [On-line], URL: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992833, September 23.

Fix, William R. (1984), The Bone Peddlers: Selling Evolution (New York: Macmillan).

Fujiyama, Asao, Hidemi Watanabe, et al., (2002), “Construction and Analysis of a Human-Chimpanzee Comparative Clone Map,” Science, 295:131-134, January 4.

Lyons, Eric and Bert Thompson (2002a), “In the ‘Image and Likeness of God’ [Part I],” Reason & Revelation, 22:17-23, March.

Lyons, Eric and Bert Thompson (2002b), “In the ‘Image and Likeness of God’ [Part II],” Reason & Revelation, 22:25-31, April.

245 posted on 12/14/2012 7:35:18 AM PST by kimtom (USA on the Brink, Now Falling over the edge)
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To: allmendream; kimtom

>> “Someone who accepts Jesus as their savior is a Christian.” <<

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That acceptance must be in all things, trusting in God’s inerrant word to lead in all parts of your life, not selecting out what you choose.

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>> “Creationism is useless because it leads to no further discovery or prediction. It is an ‘answer’ that leads nowhere.” <<

A clear rejection of Christ!


250 posted on 12/14/2012 9:37:51 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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