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To: 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot
"STFU, Farah. Like it or not, it worked."
--1rudeboy

"Bailouts that were paid back and saved the banking system."
--Toddsterpatriot

The bailouts worked at covering over the losses of the banks, and socializing risk, but subsidized a dysfunctional banking system, along with zero percent interest rates. We would have had a better banking system now without the bailouts if we took the medicine and wrote off bad debt in 2008.

Here's a quote from Steve Randy Waldman from his article Yes, Virginia. The banks really were bailed out.
But who has lost anything from the bailouts? Wasn’t it a win-win? This all sounds very abstract. Where are the transfers?

If the government borrowed or printed a trillion dollars and gave the money to me, would there be any losers? If you don’t think there has been a wealth transfer, if you don’t think ordinary people have lost, please call your Congressperson and ask her to cut me a trillion dollar check. In some abstract sense, this policy of giving me money would push government debt higher. But that is so very vague a cost! I promise I’d do great things with a trillion dollars. My ideas are so much cooler than Goldman Sachs’, despite all the wholesome commercials they are running.

During the run-up to the financial crisis, bank managers, shareholders, and creditors paid themselves hundreds of billions of dollars in dividends, buybacks, bonuses and interest. Had the state intervened less generously, a substantial fraction of those payouts might have been recovered (albeit from different cohorts of stakeholders, as many recipients of past payouts had already taken their money and ran). The market cap of the 19 TARP banks that received more than a billion dollars each in assistance is about 550B dollars today (even after several of those banks’ share prices have collapsed over fears of Eurocontagion). The uninsured debt of those banks is and was a large multiple of their market caps. Had the government resolved the weakest of the banks, writing off equity and haircutting creditors, had it insisted on retaining upside commensurate with the fraction of risk it was bearing on behalf of stronger banks, the taxpayer savings would have run from hundreds of billions to a trillion dollars. We can get into all kinds of arguments over what would have been practical and legal. Regardless of whether the government could or could not have abstained from making the transfers that it made, it did make huge transfers. Bank stakeholders retain hundreds of billions of dollars against taxpayer losses of the same, relative to any scenario in which the government received remotely adequate compensation first for the risk it assumed, and then for quietly moving Heaven and Earth to obscure and (partially) neutralize that risk.

The banks were bailed out. Big time.

7 posted on 12/04/2012 6:46:11 PM PST by conservativefreak
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To: conservativefreak
The bailouts worked at covering over the losses of the banks

How do you figure that?

8 posted on 12/04/2012 7:20:26 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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