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DNA sequenced the e.coli that gave rise to the twelve populations that they then let develop independently. The useful variations that arose in those twelve populations were NOT in the original e.coli that gave rise to those twelve populations.... So where did it come from?... Are you ready to admit reality? Are you ready to admit that it was NOT in the original population?

But I have ALREADY ADMITTED the possibility that "The useful variations that arose in those twelve populations were NOT in the original e.coli that gave rise to those twelve populations."

I have no dispute whatsoever that Nature constantly "reconfigures" herself.

The question is: By what means, and to what end???

I do not believe in the least that Darwin has proposed any "rational" solution to this problem. I.e., the problem of biological speciation, let alone origin.

FWIW.

Ok, well it is nice that you admit reality.

Too bad the same cannot be said for the many who claim that any such useful variations had to be there from the beginning.

Darwin's theory of natural selection of genetic variation is a useful and predictive theory in regards to predicting and explaining what happened with this e.coli experiment.

You may find it unconvincing about the origins of life - something this theory has no capacity to explain and is not at all covered by the theory - and no wonder!

As for speciation - do you think every single species that presently exists could FIT on the Ark? If not then you accept speciation.

What theory are you going to use to explain the speciation that has been observed and that must be inferred if all current species derived from those species that could fit on the Ark?

What theory explains it?

I’m always amazed by people that like to read “GODs” mind..
Some taking the “bible” as a psycological primer to God mind reading..

It seems to me that for 20 people reading the bible honestly you can come up with 20 different images of whats going on.. Says a lot for “the book” that this is so.. Where Jesus is never proved to have recommended bible reading.. Not that there many bibles to even read then.. or many people that could even read.. most all couldn’t..

Which is why I deduced there are many bible worshippers out there.. Not turning to the Holy Spirit as Jesus recommmend but turning to the bible instead.. Not that the exploits and opinions of the writers of the bible are flawed but that the books of the bible are merely “testimonys” of a few “believers”.. Course some say that having an “invisible friend”(Holy Spirit) is a mistake as well..

How could a lump of flesh read Gods mind anyway?.. If there is no God “we” all are in a heap of trouble I would say.. My preference is that there is a God.. Merely a preference cause I cannot prove it.. Could be thats my greatest asset.. being able to take a “leap of faith”.. and it is a leap...

Excusing that I actually have had a “VISION”.. from “someone” “somewhere”.. I choose to call the Holy Spirit.. Since the Holy Spirit has no actual “name” I cannot “bag” him/it... I must merely accept the “experience”.. and what an experience it was/is... I learned things I didn’t even have the intelligence to ask the right questions about..

A Hallucination?.. maybe, maybe not.. it was sure real to me.. What I learned “there” seems to be becoming more and more real every day.. Heck I know of no one that even read MY MIND..

One of the things I learned (( WAS ))..... Everything is happening exactly as it is supposed to.. Everything on this planet is totally is under control.. Might not seem like it to ME desireing other things to happen.. But it is.. GOD is in control.. Men are blessing and curseing themselves on their own.. Which is “What we are HERE for”... Spirits here for a human experience.. NOT humans here for a spiritual experience.. AND everything is proceeding just the way it is supposed to.. Perfect..

Is God KOOL or what?..

I have no dispute whatsoever that Nature constantly "reconfigures" herself.

Nor do I. For me, discussions about speciation (and even possible theories about the generation of life) are discussions about the nuts-and-bolts "how" of creation. For me this stuff is enormously fascinating, but I seldom do more than lurk and read along. I readily admit the science guys (and the philosophers) are a lot smarter than me on the subject.

Some people look at an apparently automatic process and see a self-directed system; others marvel at the formula and the princple that undergirds it, and the marvelous intelligence behind it all. The more they discover about the nuts and bolts of creation, the more I marvel.

The "who" of creation is a settled issue for me. Once you know God that issue rather evaporates. The "why" of it I look forward to seeing unfold as eternity itself unfolds.