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To: Gene Eric

I appreciate your polite and respectful response. The only reason I question ‘weapons management’ is that for reasons already stated, I question how it is practical it is to really train the average person to handle a gun responsibly and safely (especially with regards to bystanders). I’m trying to visualise putting granny through a ‘stress training’ exercise where a big burly instructor gets in their face and starts shoving them and swearing at them and threatening to f*** them. That is the kind of training I that I believe someone should submit themselves to in order to learn how to handle the stresses of using a gun for self-defence in a situation where there are likely to be bystanders, but I doubt most people would be willing to undergo that kind of thing...


71 posted on 11/30/2012 3:57:25 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Sins,

Come on, granny ladies have been blasting away at bad guys for a few centuries.

Look at the news for the last few years. Grannies have been doing quite well for themselves IN SPITE OF doogooder nannycrats who think granny ladies should give up the old man’s shotgun and rely on 911.

I can dredge up about 100 stories of granny ladies dusting off perps. How many stories can you dredge up about granny ladies accidentally whacking their kin?

At one point I was ready to give you a benefit of the doubt, but with this post, I think you are pulling stuff out your butt and throwing it against the wall to see what sticks.

Fartgas all.


76 posted on 11/30/2012 4:04:38 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

I doubt it is possible for you to be a bigger fag.


79 posted on 11/30/2012 4:11:48 PM PST by xone
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

While you make it quite a drama, large numbers of armed normal people find it -not at all- to be the way you describe. Extraneous BS becomes filtered out. You can only process so much input. Important gets in, crap is filtered out.
Once you know he is the armed robber, and has a gun, thats the big strokes. You may have trouble later even remembering what he said, or what his gun looked like.
This is because those things simply do-not-matter in THAT instant.
It then becomes very easy to do what you have done at the range, and squeeze off an effective shot.
Also, your 12 gauge shotgun recoil may feel like a kids BB gun. Your 357 may barely pop. A before, those noises and mior kicks are extraneous and will be filtered out.

Training the way you suggest is not needed. A shootout is much more akin to imagining a kid darts out in front of you chasing a ball. You brake and swerve before you think about it. The event is -long over- before all the melodramatic fear responses you describe kick in. You seem to think it’s some almost mystical, impossible thing to do well.
I don’t fully blame you, because people like to associate successfully using a gun as a skill that only the descendants of Wyatt Earp or a SEAL have any hope of doing.
According to the myth, you have to have nerves of steel, the confidence of a Topgun pilot, the training of an astronaut, and a law degree to ever use a gun to defend yourself.

The problem is 80 year olds who often do it. What about the 12 year old girl who just did it?

I fully realize it’s probably impossible to convince you. You are certain that it’s an adrenaline filled, vomit inducing, ultimate fear ride. So thats what it will be for you. But in reality, if you have the strength and fine motor skills to operate a blow drier, if you can cope with stress such that you can drive a car,, you can indeed do well in a shootout.

I am not kidding you, driving ANY freeway in the Bay Area or LA is far more stress than you will ever have in a gunfight. Are you reduced to ineffective jelly then? Most people can get through it fine.
I’m answering you to reassure those who might read your words, and think you have any idea how it really is.


83 posted on 11/30/2012 4:30:17 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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