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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; SeekAndFind; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale
RE :”Ah, but Obama and the media know the Dow, etc., will go up after the GOP caves, and then they will say, “see, the economy got better, just like when Clinton raised taxes.” AS IF Wall Street is “the economy.”

That is exactly what will happen,
This trap reminds me of the one that Obama/Reid snared Republicans with a year ago on FICA.

Bohner knew he lost this fight when the election results came in. He is just playing out the dance of surrender now, he knows that dance well.

If Obama is to appear to win this fight then we need the economy to appear to significantly deteriorate afterward, not look like it fixes it.
Do republicans like losing or are they just clueless? (Rhetorical question)

Some happy news : FNC on Special Report today did a segment on exactly how SS and medicare are adding to the national debt right NOW. It is like they been reading my stuff.

53 posted on 11/28/2012 5:05:09 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; SeekAndFind; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; ...
With Germany in WWI and the Axis in WWII their humiliating loss in those wars was set in motion long before their official unconditional surrenders.
I am using them just as classic examples of failure and not making a moral equivalence here.

There are many things I observed across the months and years that made me not surprised that we are where we are today on this tax standoff and coming surrender and humilation.

Obviously the fact that GWB passed his tax cuts using budget reconciliation (he didn't have 60 in the Senate to do it) without equal cutting spending to make it CBO deficit neutral make this day possible by putting an expiration date on them.
But Republicans STILL had about 10 years since then to sell their position on taxes to voters, of which NOW only 4 of 6 agree with Republicans according to that one poll. Here are a few sad critical milestones that led to this pathetic situation:

1) GWB the first two term R party POTUS leaving office after 8 years with the economy tanking, AFTER his victory on tax cuts referenced above. (this was significant)

2) House Republicans trapping themselves on FICA tax cuts a year ago and letting themselves be seen as saying we have to pay for middle class tax cuts but not for the tax cuts for ‘the rich’, those are a freebee. ( That was a humiliating disaster for them and darn painful to watch.)

3) Republicans in R House including delayed 'across the board spending cuts' (until after the election) of their own sacred Golden Calf Defense Pork in that Budget Control Act last year, delayed until the tax cuts expire, to use as a negotiating chip.
Yep give the bank robber MORE ammunition for that gun to rob your bank with.

4) Nominating Mitt Romney who is a rich arrogant billionaire who only pays that 15% capital gains tax rate to run a campaign against O on: “We have to cut taxes for rich job creators like me for your sake” (This very painful episode was so predictable and we were forced to watch it. Others drank the ‘we are winning Koolaid in denial of this day coming)

Back exactly 4 years ago 2008 after that defeat I posted a number of ideas here on how to avoid this painful day. After the official surrender ceremony I will re-post them here.

54 posted on 11/28/2012 8:41:46 PM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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