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To: MrChips

On the contrary, each of the States held its own secession convention to authorize its own singular secession. In many casees the secession convention resulted in voting that denied the State the authority to secede. In a number of States Democrat vote fraud was rampant. Voters and officials were murdered, ballot boxes stolen, and anti-secession votes removed from the ballot counts to secure a fraudulent vote for secession. When a secession conveention failed, another seecession convention was held with changes to voting rules and voting count rules changed to fix a pro-secession result. The nation’s by far bloodiest war ever was the result of very massive vote fraud. In Texas, the secessionist leaders didn’t even wait for the results of the secession convention to be determined before they went ahead and sent deleegates to the Confederate States Congress to join Texas to the Confederacy. Governor Sam Houston and other Texas officers were illegally removed from office by the secessionists while Texas was still a State in the Perpetual Union of the United States of America. This is one of the many reasons why governor Sam Houston refused to recognize the authority of the rebel legislature and rebel govenment.


49 posted on 11/28/2012 11:03:23 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
In a number of States Democrat vote fraud was rampant. Voters and officials were murdered, ballot boxes stolen, and anti-secession votes removed from the ballot counts to secure a fraudulent vote for secession.

Post reference.

51 posted on 11/28/2012 11:08:07 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: WhiskeyX

The original articles of confederation, before the constitution, were “perpetual.” So, according to you we should still be operating under them?

The constitution does not use the term perpetual anywhere. Why did you confuse that term used in the articles of confederation with the Constitution?

(Not because it seemingly help your position, I hope.)


76 posted on 11/28/2012 11:38:59 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: WhiskeyX

LOL! I see where your confusion comes from; there is no such thing as the PUSA.

LMAO. What nonsense.


97 posted on 11/28/2012 12:11:40 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: WhiskeyX

No, each state did not hold a secession convention, though some did. Each state that pretended to secession had its own notion as to what process would be most convincing. None of them submitted a federal suit to the supreme court, which is the constitutional means to resolve controversies between the states and the federal government.

They all missed the one way that would have been legal. That was because they all recognized that they had no legal case. Rather, they planned to use force to support their insurrection. They lost.

The war saved lives. If the rebels had won, WWI would have had its branch in North America, and millions of US and pretended confederate soldiers would have fought and died then too. By contrast the 11 million killed in WWII had only about 100,000 US soldiers.


158 posted on 11/28/2012 4:12:09 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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