[MrChips]

Under the Articles, no state could secede lawfully unless all states seceded simultaneously. But the Constitution—which Lincoln had just taken an oath to uphold—did not contain that clause (or any other like it); so any state could secede lawfully at any time. And the Southern states did secede lawfully. Honest Abe flat-out lied when he said that was not so in his inaugural address; and he subsequently used his blatant lie to slaughter 623,000 people and wage war on women and children whom, in his view, were his own people.

[donmeaker]

No. Controversies between the states or between the states are clearly stated in Article 3 to be resolved by legal action with the supreme court as original jurisdiction.

You don’t get to avoid the agreed and stated method of resolving a disagreement by pretending that you don’t want to be part of the agreement and refusing to follow laws. That is called “insurrection”.

[Nowhere Man]

Under the Articles, no state could secede lawfully unless all states seceded simultaneously. But the Constitution—which Lincoln had just taken an oath to uphold—did not contain that clause (or any other like it); so any state could secede lawfully at any time. And the Southern states did secede lawfully. Honest Abe flat-out lied when he said that was not so in his inaugural address; and he subsequently used his blatant lie to slaughter 623,000 people and wage war on women and children whom, in his view, were his own people.

Yeah, myself, I guess Lincoln did what he thought was right but there is another side of me that thinks he was a monster. I lean towards the latter, he suspended a lot of the Constitution and habeus corpus for one. I'd rate even Jimmy Carter and James Buchanan above Lincoln, Lincoln was more of an early Woodrow Wilson type.