[ctdonath2]

SHTF.
Spain et al have a history of robust black markets, and a government not so entwined in daily life. Not so here, where all is so intertwined - at least in the “lower 48” - and will, with great momentum, pull down the system in short order as it almost has more than once.

I’m married to a Canadian, so any discussions of fiscal cliffs and SHTF are met with “so lets move to Canada!”

Oh, and you’re well armed. There’s a reason the long gun registry was dumped.

[Sam Gamgee]

I use to think America more conservative than Canada, but with the passage of same sex marriage in some US states, and the fiscal path it is on, I'm not so sure anymore.

Still, Canada has no real free speech, we can't even DISCUSS healthcare reforms, and abortion is pretty much on demand.

In short there is nowhere to run, except maybe Taiwan?

My wife is American actually, and we have citizenship in the US for our 3 kids. I just hope it is worth something when they grow up!