Ha!
Posted on 11/27/2012 7:00:14 AM PST by marktwain
So we should send money to Harry Reid, just as the NRA did a couple years ago? Uhh, ok.
And a lot of caving and sheeple obedience.
The BATFE will not be defunded. Pubbies may run the House but the Dims run the Senate. Harry Reid has not let a Budget pass in over three years so we have been running on Continuing Resolutions, CRs, for almost all of Obama's first term.
Since there will probably be no Budget for the next four years the House and Senate will have to fight over the CRs and since the Pubbies have no spine they will not let the Government shut down over this subject. The Dems will not allow a CR through unless the BATFE is fully funded. They know it is the linchpin to the Communist takeover of our Country. The Pubbies will allow the final evisceration of our Constitution by the Communists in the White House and Senate so they will not be painted as the bad guys if the Government shuts down.
It is time for the gun shops, manufacterors, and every real patriot to say "NO" and keep making, producing and selling the guns and ammo and refuse to collect the huge taxes that are sure to come. When the BATFE or IRS agents come to shut them down WE need to literally stand side by side, in the hundreds if not thousands,to stop them at each location. There are not enough Brown Shirts in the BATFE or IRS to stop FREE CITIZENS and they would like to go home to their families.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - The Gulag Archipelago
Maybe they are like Arafat. They tell you one thing in public, but believe and support something else in private. Who on this forum thinks the Republicans are ON OUR SIDE?
Ha!
This is true. I am not saying is easy, but we have to change our tactics. Relying on the news cycle doesn't get it done. When I say we don't object, I am not saying we don't talk about it on the web, on blogs, on talk radio, etc.
In the past year, as Obama started using these executive decision-making to go around the Congress, our side strategically didn't make a big deal of them (Gays in military, Dream Act, etc, etc), because they specifically wanted to make this election about the economy. You never say Congressional leaders out focusing on executive over-reach. This tactic did not work...clearly.
My main points were: A) We need to start objecting to executive over-reach; and B) We have to start changing our political tactics to battle the opposition throughout the year, rather than jumping in with ads 30 days out from an election. We have to sell our ideas, and why they are better every day of the year, and work around the media through advertising, internet display ads, etc.
They really have NO idea how many of them will not get home to see the wife and kids if they try to enforce this.
Once blood is shed, and the dice are rolled, it will end very badly for the tyrants.
When (color of)law-abiding people realize they've crossed the Rubicon, there is nothing that stops them from going ALL the way.
Many, many traitors will be found swinging from lamp posts.
Many on our side will 'water' the tree of liberty too, but the tyrant class will be eliminated for at least a generation.
Well, I respectfully disagree.
10 years ago that might have been the case, but in today's government, good luck on expecting any Democrat to go against the party line when it means a pet Dem issue would be defeated. There are no free-thinkers on that side, and they would be bribed, threatened, or brow-beat until they vote in accordance with their leader.
I think you can forget men of principle - they do not exist in the Democrat party. Witness the process of passing Obamacare.
No - When the NRA helps elect a Democrat based on some grading process (wherein they probably got rolled, anyway), we all get the filth that goes along with the Democrat on every other legislation.
I abandoned the NRA and AOPA for these very reasons. Single-issue advocacy no longer works, because there is no honor on the left in Washington (and very little on the right), only strong-arming, get-your-way-at-all-costs behavior.
Wait, if a President can subvert the Constitution by way of an Executive Order what makes you think he won't do it again to fund BATF?
And if you think that SCOTUS will come to the rescue I got two words for you: "Justice Roberts"
“As stated in the article, it could mean a defunding of the BATFE in Congress. There are still levers that can be pulled in our favor so long as we control the House.”
I don’t think most American gun owners will comply with such a blanket law they see as an affront to the Bill Of Rights. Big Ears ain’t going to change their minds either. If they ever come and attempt to take them, they will have an upheaval that will shake our Nation to the core and lead to the end of the current Administration. Deep in their hearts, Americans know right from wrong.
Wait, if a President can subvert the Constitution by way of an Executive Order what makes you think he won't do it again to fund BATF?
I would reply back then, "What obligation does any law officer, employee or even citizen then have to follow such a leader?"
I My answer: None. Zilch, Xero, Nada, Nitcht.
Moreso, anyone who follows a clearly anti-Constitutional law, directive, edict, or order are THEMSELVES equally guilty.
To paraphrase Andy Jackson, "John Marshall Barack Obama has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"
I think single-issue organizations have their uses, but single-issue VOTERS is another issue completely.
Single-issue voters are what doom us.
Let the NRA give Harry Reid an A-rating.
If anybody votes for Reid SOLELY for that reason, then there’s the problem.
You mean like the Law Enforcement Officers of the BATF and the DEA who routinely use Unconstitutional "no-Knock" warrants to raid private property?
Do you mean the very BATF officers who will be getting funded by that same Executive order?
Do you mean these guys:
Sorry but I don't see these groups coming to the aide of John Q Public.
(BTW its Mad Dawgg, don't get me confused with the single "G" Dawg on FR.)
I hope you’re right. So far, all we do is sit on our hands and occasionally complain out loud. Myself included.
OK - how about when they give Democrat politicians a hundred thousand bucks?
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000082&chamber=H&party=D&cycle=2012&state=&sort=A
Still good with that?
This could swing the country far right in the mid terms.
Let em pick a loser issue like this, OH Man!
What do you think people care about most right now?
Free handouts and jobs that help put food on the table, or morals?
I guarantee you that right now, most people couldn’t care less about morality and facts. All they care about is getting their three squares a day and if someone else has to lose their rights to do this, oh well (of course, they’ll eventually learn that when one man’s rights aren’t sacred, no ones are).
That’s the choice of the NRA board and membership.
I don’t like Harry Reid, but he’s earned his NRA endorsement. If he’s furthered the cause of Second Amendment rights, then he’s done the job they asked him to do.
Once these organizations start to morph into other, unsolicited areas, they begin to lose their power. Regardless of how people feel about the NRA, RKBA rights are on a roll at the local, state and federal levels.
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