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To: mtnwmn
We protested in the thousands against ObamaCare.....what good did it do us?

Well it did us pretty much NO good,came recent election and we were shocked that we are now the "minority". Another lesson from last election, thanks for giving me segue.

I'm sure arguments could be thrown out that many Conserv voters didn't turn out, that Obama had fake voters, that this alleged "minority" status of what Nixon used to call the "silent majority" isn't written in stone.

True. But there's been a status change, let's agree on this and move along.

For the record, I see the country divided pretty much evenly and there's many who just need a charismatic inspirational leader to lead them. Would this have been McCain, control your laughter? Would it have been Dole, who spoke of himself in the third person this was the best the pubs had? Romney was close, a guy who would have waltzed to victory in 1990 given the economy and the country's demographics?

These Blue Blood guys, tired of repeating the mantra here, just ain't doing it. We'll never move on until we agree on this. They don't like it and they've got power. Our power is our numbers but there's that thing about herding cats.

So what good did our protests against Obamacare do? No good at all. Sit down guys, take a breath.

OBAMACARE WON!

Sure we had reasonable concerns, it was possibly the most horrible piece of gubmental excretia put into law in the history of the country. But it was debated and discussed, the pubs did okay railing against Obamacare, Ryan had a proposed solution.

Guys, we lost the issue. Fifteen minutes to sob cause the Supreme court passed it over to the voters, de facto that's what they did. If you believe in majority rule buys, accept that gubmint health care is here to stay. The best we can do is get busy fixing every damn thing wrong with it.

I got lots of ways to fix Obamacare, as expected, but for now I hope mntwm's lament that our protests against Obamacare didn't ward it off was simply because.....we lost the issue.

99 posted on 11/25/2012 9:06:19 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk
If you believe in majority rule buys, accept that gubmint health care is here to stay. The best we can do is get busy fixing every damn thing wrong with it.

That's a fool's errand. "Fixing it" will make it worse. Medicare costs nine times what the USG estimated. Obamacare is a huge new entitlement program. It is going to wreck the healthcare system and bankrupt the country even faster.

Once the "pain" of Obamacare kicks in next year and in 2014, there will be a huge public outcry to ameliorate the pain. The doctors and hospitals will revolt against the reduction in payments that make up much of the $716 billion taken from Medicare. The employers will shift tens of millions of their employees off of their plans and put them into state and federal exchanges. And the individual mandate will not work in terms of putting more people into insurance plans.

The result will be tremendous public pressure on the politicians to fix things. So like the doc fix, the lower reimbursement rates for doctors and hospitals will be postponed. Penalties on employers to keep employees on the rolls will be increased so that people don't lose their current healthcare providers. On and on it will go to "fix" a 2700 page monstrosity. There will be plenty of unintended consequences. And the Reps will be blamed.

It is a lose-lose proposition for the Reps to get involved in fixing Obamacare, which was always set up to fail eventually so we can move into a single payer system. Obama said that himself. Obamacare is just an interim step.

103 posted on 11/25/2012 9:57:57 AM PST by kabar
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