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To: kabar

Ok, one more than I’m done.

I’m not disputing a word in your comment. Indeed I take as close to true ever statement you made.

Though you seem to think the pubs should just let it go as written till it ends up where planned...or till the public has had enough....well you could be right on that as well. I’m given pause to the concept.

Why?

I’ve read a lot of the provisions of Obamacare, how it will be enforced, how it will work.

Frankly, it’s not all that bad.

Okay, hear me out.

I dare, double dare, a single one of you to take self-righteous umbrage at the fact that discipline over the new Obamacare plan will be made via your paycheck or income tax return.

How dare you be outraged when paychecks have FOR DECADES been used to enforce the following laws: child support, debts from taxes or judgements, alimony. For decades employers have been charged with doing, for no recompense, enforcing social laws because what better way to get first dibs at the spigot than the person’s very paycheck?

Oh, employers are charged with other social tasks, such as checking immigration, notifying the IRS that subject wants to claim 99 exemptions, goodness I’ve had thirty years of experience and I know this, yes I do.

So if a person does NOT have health insurance as required by Obamacare, they will take your tax refund and attach your paycheck to pay the penalty.

Do not get sniffy about it, the private sector will once again be forced to do the gubmint’s work.

It works. Attaching paychecks work.

It’s why all the extra IRS agents. They will be issuing judgements and such. Indeed, it does not surprise me.

If subject does NOT have health insurance their paycheck will be attached and only if they work thereonin under the table will subject be safe from gubmint attachment.

Again, thank me very much.

This WILL happen, count on it.

Whether pubs should get involved, whether public will get incensed enough to get it outta there, I dunno.

But we lost the battle.


110 posted on 11/25/2012 10:31:47 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk
I’ve read a lot of the provisions of Obamacare, how it will be enforced, how it will work. Frankly, it’s not all that bad.

I question your understanding of Obamacare and how it will work. Leaving aside the onerous and odious Big Government approach to healthcare that never works anywhere it is tried, putting something down on paper is no guarantee of success. The real world has a way of intruding on the utopians who fail to grasp what motivates people and human behavior. I forgot who said it, but essentially only Americans can make communism work.

So if a person does NOT have health insurance as required by Obamacare, they will take your tax refund and attach your paycheck to pay the penalty.

The law provides a phase in for the individual mandate and its penalties: In 2014, $95 penalty or 1.0% of individuals’ income. It rises to $325 or 2.0% of income in 2015, and $695 or 2.5% of income in 2016.

I can see many healthy adults choosing the penalty and not getting insurance, which will raise the costs of medical care since the insurance companies are planning on an infusion of healthy enrollees who will pay into the system and thereby decreasing overall costs. Since you can get health care coverage with preexisting conditions, why not wait until you really get sick before enrolling?

If subject does NOT have health insurance their paycheck will be attached and only if they work thereonin under the table will subject be safe from gubmint attachment.

I wonder how that will work at hospital ERs that must treat all patients, including the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. And aside from the government attaching earnings, there is no criminal penalty. I can see enforcement being fraught with all kinds of problems. How much government intrusion into one's life and how large a bureaucracy will be necessary to enforce these provisions? Very few tax returns are audited now. I can see fraudulent paperwork to substantiate that one has health insurance.

But we lost the battle.

You can lose the battle and not the war. In any event, if you really want to inform yourself about the real impact of Obamacare, take a look at this analysis by the Heritage Foundation. This isn't only about how the IRS will enforce the individual mandate, it is about how Obamacare will destroy our economy and lower the quality of and access to health care. You have a rather narrow view of what this is all about or how estensive the impact will be on all of us.

The Case Against Obamacare:

114 posted on 11/25/2012 12:40:20 PM PST by kabar
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