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To: nathanbedford; All

This quote is from your # 8 Reply on this thread: “ - - - It is time to expand the concept of the Tea Party beyond applications only to economic issues, but to bring to play an emotional drive of the entire conservative electorate across the whole spectrum of issues. - - - “

My reply to you was # 65 which basically asked that we clearly define what we are for, and learn from the past, both good and bad.

In my second point in reply #65, I raised the question of the wisdom of including social issues in what our main planks should be. I used the example of how easily a hostile Media stalled Rick Santorum.

In this reply to me (# 67), your main concern is about finances. My concern is that we will start to finance something that is to vaguely defined to be a cohesive platform in the future, and thus render future financing difficult.

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Thus, let us return to how we plan to define ourselves as among our first actions.

Ron Paul was the Father of the T.E.A. Party. He had bold economic ideas. He was rejected by most Conservatives because of his social and moral ideas.

Rick Santorum was kept off economic message by a hostile Media bombarding him with social and moral questions.

These are two good examples of how damaging distracting social and moral issues can be to a candidate.

To those who say that by making the tent bigger and thus we ‘broaden the base,’ I say that they then need to reconcile Paul and Santorum to their broader base idea.

If Conservatives make their tent bigger, what will be the main difference between them and the gutless, BiPartisan Cave-In, RINO Party that is ruining America today?

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True, the TEA Party defined itself as an economic movement, but chose not to be exceptionally active in the Primary and National Elections of 2011-2012.

For example, what should the main effort of the TEA Party have been in 2011 and 2012? What were the opportunities that they chose not to seize on?

Would a narrowly defined Conservative Party do better in the 2014 Elections than the TEA Party did in 2011-2012?

What say all of you?


77 posted on 11/25/2012 3:24:19 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf
You raise some good points which reveal that you have done some serious thinking.

I agree with your questioning about how we grow to an electoral majority. I too have used the metaphor of the big tent and I agree with you. In my judgment one does not extend the roof of the tent willy-nilly and hope to drape sufficient yardage over the heads of a portion of the electorate to gain 50+1, rather, the idea is to open the flaps to let the people come in who will come and if they are attracted to the saliency of the message. In other words, do not pander, proclaim.

And we proclaim an attractive message because "we clearly define what we are for".

As to the social issues, there is no question that we are opening ourselves to real and substantial dangers, especially from the media. They will give legitimacy to their most naked kind of demagoguery directed against advocates of social issues on the right. Nevertheless, I think there is some social issues which we must take a stand on. My rule which determines that which we should stand fast on and that which we should give way on has to do with the presence or absence of an identifiable victim. In other words, a libertarian test. So I would fight to the death to oppose abortion but I am not particularly disturbed by the prospect of homosexual marriage because I do not see the nexus between making that union legitimate and a threat to heterosexual marriage, this though I am fully aware as a student of The Frankfurt School that the object of the left is to undermine those institutions which support capitalism and democracy, the family being prominent among them.

We face, as you point out, a partisan guerrilla war against us waged by the media which is difficult to cope with. We have tried ignoring them to death and that has failed several consecutive elections. My recommendation is that we attack them personally. We make them pay a price. We try to destroy their careers. We make life ugly for them every time they stick their heads over the parapet. We do to them what they have been doing to us. We go on Meet the Press and we attack NBC and MSNBC and we attack David Gregory. We quote him back to himself. We ask him if he will repudiate the statements of Andrea Mitchell or does NBC stand by them?

Finally, we are now four years away from the next presidential election in two years away from the next by election. We have time to sort out which issues we want to run on which is somewhat different than the issues we want to ground ourselves upon. I have suggested that there be many different groups in addition to the Tea Party Movement because I presume that the Tea Party Movement will not want to depart from its strict adherence to economic issues. That leaves the field open to other groups to do what the NRA has done, identify themselves with an issue and run with it. That is in effect what the Democrat party has done by empowering all their special interest groups. By the time of the election, we should have found out what works and run with that.


78 posted on 11/25/2012 10:54:51 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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