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To: gettinolder

Sorry but that’s easily refuted by scripture. John clearly says in Rev 13:16-18 That it is the NAME of the beast and the NUMBER of his NAME. In verse 18 it says to COUNT the number. So clearly this is a number not a symbol.

As anyone knows who’ve studied scripture that back then letters represented numbers and that this was a common practice in a way. Irenaeus in his Fifth? book against Heresies actually gives examples of names that would fit as well.


11 posted on 11/21/2012 3:35:44 PM PST by thatjoeguy ( Hulk... SMASH!!)
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To: thatjoeguy

So what is the numeric translation of “There is no god but Allah”?


20 posted on 11/21/2012 4:01:55 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: thatjoeguy

I agree, clearly this number is involved in some manner whatever else it may be,

My conjectures are:

Someone has always been ready to perform this role in every generation, the spirit of Antichrist is at work in the world and was even in John’s day,

Its that spirit, that denies that Jesus came in the flesh as the Son of God and is sitting at the right hand of the Father that we should be looking for and rebuking. If you visit the dome of the rock on the temple mount, you can see this same spirit written in beautiful script across the top of it, denying Jesus.

And its that spirit that’s growing in this country as I’ve never seen before. Whoever will be in that role at the end as personages (there are two working together not just one) gets 2520 days of power while half of that time God is pouring out his judgement on the Earth and his authority,

The ‘man of sin’ ‘son of perdition’ is not revealed until the restrainer is no longer restraining, it’s really a desperation move by Satan. This world is already his, so consider whats really going on here that he needs this, whats changed,

And because God has made the consequences so dire and absolute for those taking the ‘mark of the beast’ (And I understand he comes with all manner of lying signs and wonders and would deceive even the very elect if it were possible) I suspect when it reaches the point to buy and sell, that it wont be overly difficult to perceive what it is, and I say that mostly because of the number of those standing before the throne that wont accept it and have been killed refusing it. How many could any of us find today willing to die for their faith? Satan knows his time is almost up and is blatant,

I believe the arrival of the necessary global political/economic conditions and technology is a better indicator of who and a time marker for where we are prophetically,

“in your right hand or in your forehead’

Certainly things like RFID technology, IPv6 and scan-able tattoos are heading us in that direction, and whatever it is ultimately, it always required computers/internet and wireless communication to come into being if its not merely a spiritual application, see Ezekiel Chapter 9, Satan is just pretending to be God again, which is all he’s ever done, and of course God seals the 144,000 in their foreheads from the 12 tribes during the tribulation period,

I also have to wonder whether its not even more sinister, because most people (today) are not about to take an RFID chip in the right hand/forehead for any reason. I wonder where biometrics is going. For example with the Ipad3 having the technology already built-in for retina scans, its now becoming more common place, and I wonder if we could consider that everyone already has a retina ‘mark’ in their forehead? No need to raise alarm with the masses and have them insert a device with stored information etc., we have cloud computing/internet database storage now, etc, the global banking system just requires the identity markers and then for us to accept it for identification, just a conjecture,

Years ago I watched a news story about ENIAC with 18,000 vacuum tubes built in 1947, the reporter was interviewing some historian and he made the comment that it ‘was the first computer’ and was immediately corrected, and was told that in fact the ‘man operating it was actually the computer.’ I didn’t know that, but was immediately reminded of Revelation 13, “. . for it is the number of a man . .” The ‘law of first mention’ in the Bible, I think is real, that is, that God lets us name things on the Earth and that’s what he calls something them after that, if the application of the mark is physical, and I believe it is (as well as spiritual) then computers will certainly play a significant role in its implementation/application,

Whatever it is, we still need the right global conditions/economic upheaval to institute this new monetary system:

As to the video on the link,

I think its interesting. I’ve seen similar videos in the past, however it seems to dismiss the numbers too readily, and there’s much more to that specific number than many realize,

The number 666 is from Solomon’s tribute, from Nebuchadnezzar’s image and from the sons of Adonikim, these patterns are repeating, and will repeat again I suspect,

Additionally there appears to be an interesting structure of days accounted for with this number, beginning with the Temple “desolation” timeline beginning on the 9th of AV August 16, 587 BC and is 665.555 years to the 9th of AV August 10th, 70AD (it’s missing exactly 160 days to be 666 years x 360 days) between the two Temple destruction’s,

Additionally and separately,

From Israel’s Babylonian captivity, which I believe began on July 23, 606 BC,

It’s precisely 646 years (232,560 days) to Wednesday, April 9th, 32 AD, the very day which I believe Jesus was crucified on, leaving 7200 days or 20 years (age of accountability?) x 360 days exactly (short) to be 666 years from the captivity timeline, and yet separate from the temple desolation timeline above etc., what that means I can only guess at,

There is more to be found here, and of course it’s all just conjecture,


30 posted on 11/21/2012 5:57:01 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: thatjoeguy
Sorry but that’s easily refuted by INTERPRETATION

I'll have to disagree with you on that one.

How the apostles visions were recorded, and how modern biblical scholars have interpreted what he was saying seem to change as time passes. Maybe you are one of those biblical scholars and have studied Greek, if so, my hat is off to you sir.

I find what Walid Shoebot has to say about "666" more believable and convincing, especially in light of recent events (such as the spread of Islamism)

32 posted on 11/21/2012 8:08:04 PM PST by gettinolder (Pursue the enemy relentlessly to the limit of every man's endurance.)
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