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To: lone star annie
I bet there were plenty of illegals voting and people who cast mulitiple ballots to win this election for BHO and Murphy.

So basically, you have a hunch. That's it. No evidence, just a hunch. Coincidentally, the same hunch Democrats get when they lose elections and blame their defeats on voter fraud.

We did not get our butts kicked this past election day because of voter fraud. Are there some instances of it each election cycle? Sure. Do we want to investigate and keep the process clean? Absolutely. Did we get our clocks cleaned because of voter fraud? Not.Even.Close. We lost because more and more Americans are dependent and are voting for the party that offers them more free stuff. We are going to have to face that demographics are getting away from us and soon we may not even be able to win places like Texas. Every minute spent blaming voter fraud is a wasted minute that could be used facing up to the real problems we face and coming up with a strategy to at least try to turn things around.

22 posted on 11/20/2012 9:50:45 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

I agree but I think it is a combination of both demographics and cheating just for insurance.


37 posted on 11/20/2012 10:47:15 AM PST by lone star annie
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To: Longbow1969

“We are going to have to face that demographics are getting away from us and soon we may not even be able to win places like Texas. Every minute spent blaming voter fraud is a wasted minute that could be used facing up to the real problems we face and coming up with a strategy to at least try to turn things around.”

Good analysis.

But your comment begs the question:
Just what “strategies” might have the possibility of “turning things around”?

Obviously the WORST possible direction we could go in would be to “try to make the party more appealing to Hispanics” and other minorites (we’re going to be bombarded by this tack again and again and again and again from the “mainstream conservative commentators” in the media). Doing so will become an out-and-out recipe for Republican disaster in 2014 and 2016. Not only will we NOT get any significant increase in “the Hispanic vote”, but the abandonment of conservative principles will instead cause conservatives to just stay home. If this happens, we will lose by greater margins in ‘14 and ‘16 than we did this time around.

And you’re absolutely right about Texas (and I’ve been writing about this problem here on FR for a while now) — sooner or later, demographics (70-75% of all births in Texas hospitals are to Hispanic women, legal and illegal) will cause Texas to slowly “tip to Tejas”, and become first a “battleground” state for an election cycle or two. Then it will topple over to the blue side.

Once Texas is gone, Republicans will no longer have a numerical chance at winning presidential elections. Sadly, I see this day coming — the question is not _if_ it arrives, but rather _when_ it becomes reality. The electoral college that has protected conservatism for so long, is eventually going to turn against us.

So, what could actually change things?

Point 1: We can leverage our power (as conservatives first and Republicans second) to regain the presidency, at least for a while longer. To do so, we must concentrate our efforts at winning the Euro vote to our side, as increasing numbers of Euro-Americans (even liberal ones), become openly hostile to national policies which seem to have jettisoned our cultural heritage in favor of an onslaught of non-Euro newcomers. If this sounds like “group identity politics”, well, that’s what it is. Every OTHER ethnic/racial group in America sees themselves _as_ a group. American Euros face two choices: keep pretending this reality doesn’t affect us (and keep on losing), or understand that reality for what it is, adopt to it (within reason), and perhaps turn our chances around, if by this point they can even be turned around.

Point 2: Eventually, demographic changes in the country are going to make it impossible for Republicans (or a new party that may very well replace them) win the White House or exercise anything more than token influence in a growing number of state governments.

When that time comes, conservatives/Republicans will be relegated (on the national level) to the role they currently play in states like Massachusetts or Illinois. Republicans may still win in both states, but not in enough numbers to have an influence in the policies by which those states are governed. Conservatives/Republicans will still have a vote (at the national level) — what they WON’T have are “enough votes”. Big difference.

With this on the long-distance horizon, and with the ever-increasing possibility that at some point in the future the United States faces an economic and social catastrophe that will make the Great Depression look small by comparison, perhaps the only course of action might be for the red states to enter into some kind of “compact” amongst themselves, to better prepare their populations for survival when the DC ship of state goes down.

Think of the Titanic disaster. As the bow filled with water, it sank beneath the waterline, pulling the stern section into the air. Eventually, the opposing forces of the sinking bow vs. the rising stern became so great, that the ship literally “parted at the seams”, after which the bow sank away while the stern settled back (before it, too, went under).

What the red states need to start doing is to somehow build a “watertight bulkhead” so that when the “split” comes, the blue states can sink away while the stern keeps the waters out and floats on its own. They can’t do this on their own as individual states. They have to find some way to “bind themselves together” outside of their relationship to Washington and a federal government that may be doomed to either failure or a pathway towards socialism or even outright despotism.

Wish I could be more optimistic.
But that’s how I see it.

We either “build the bulkhead”, or we go down with the rest of them.


46 posted on 11/20/2012 12:01:41 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Longbow1969; Cicero; lone star annie
Yes, West may have lost a recount.

And yes, there was massive voter fraud. Many of the votes that would have to be accepted were cast illegally, so a recount may not have given him victory.

Obama retook the WH on the basis of 500,000 votes in 5 key swing states.

This is a paltry number easily achieved by well-managed fraud. For example, it is statistically impossible that hundreds of precincts in PA and OH did not show a single (1) vote for Romney. It is also statistically impossible that many precincts in those key states showed close to 100% turnout, when the average in that state was closer to 60%. There is not one precinct in any state in this country where 100% of the voters are registered to one party.

In a fair election, WEST WOULD HAVE WON. To our everlasting disgrace, the election process has been completely corrupted. Why is it so hard for Americans to see this?

50 posted on 11/20/2012 12:30:52 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Longbow1969
Every minute spent blaming voter fraud is a wasted minute that could be used facing up to the real problems we face and coming up with a strategy to at least try to turn things around.

Hard to win in a Poker Game if your opponent owns the cards. Only an idiot believe we have honest elections, computers make it really easy to cheat. Go over to YouTube and type in vote fraud, or voting machines hacked, and educate yourself.

It is so easy to manipulate the count, even a cave man could do it.

52 posted on 11/20/2012 12:39:49 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Longbow1969

If we booted the f’n illegals the demographics would be much more favorable.


53 posted on 11/20/2012 12:41:16 PM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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