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To: Kansas58

Citizen does not equal natural born citizen.

Never has, never will.

There has always been a distinction, and the Supreme Court has mentioned exactly that in Minor.

You cannot have divided loyalties at birth, that is why the term “natural born” was inserted in Article II, Section 8 at the behest of John Jay.

A citizen can be Senator or Congressman.

The natural born requirement is not there for those two offices.

But only a natural born citizen can be President or Vice President.

The 14th Amendment is the only thing that gives Rubio American citizenship. But because his parents were both citizens of another country at the time of his birth, at birth he was at best a dual-citizen.

A dual citizen is not natural born.Were Rubio’s parents citizens at the time of his birth or were they naturalized at some later date? If Rubio’s parents were subject to another jurisdiction, i.e. Cuba, what did that make their son at the time of his birth?

Also, there is no law Congress can make which trumps the Constitution. The Constitution can only be changed by Amendment. Nor did the 14th Amendment change the meaning of Article II, Section 8. In fact, the writers of the 14th Amendment would never agree with your interpretation at all.
Please cite where those who wrote the 14th Amendment ever considered those given citizenship as a result of the 14th Amendment to be equal to natural born citizenship. Did the writers of the 14th Amendment believe in anchor babies?

Natural born had a legal meaning at the time of the writing of the Constitution, just as the term “letters of marque” did. Neither are defined in the Constitution, as the Constitution is not a dictionary.

The point has never been tested legally at the Presidential level.So, your whole meme of no one on earth agreeing with anything but your position is so much hot air.


72 posted on 11/19/2012 1:06:17 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82
Straw man argument.

Rubio is not a Naturalized Citizen.

Rubio is a Citizen from the moment of his birth, therefore Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen.

There are two forms of Citizenship:

1.) Natural Born

2.) Naturalized

If you are a citizen, you fall into either group one or group two.

PERIOD!

Nobody with any authority under the law disagrees with me.

Nobody with any authority under the law agrees with you.

84 posted on 11/19/2012 1:20:44 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: exit82

Hey E.

Good to see you.

Have ever met such an idiot in your life?

I never have.

Oh well.


89 posted on 11/19/2012 1:29:06 PM PST by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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