Posted on 11/19/2012 6:16:10 AM PST by econjack
The GOP has dropped the ball so many times I can't even count them. Never once have I seen the GOP say: "The top 10% of the income earners in this country foot 71% of the federal tax bill, while the lower 51% of the people pay no taxes. If it's a 'fair share' you want, cut the taxes on the rich by 80% and start taxing the poor at 20%." To me, if you don't pay federal income taxes, you don't have anything in the game and shouldn't even be allowed to vote in federal elections.
Make sure, when you’re charging down the hill to the sea with the other lemmings, that you’re the one wearing the floaty.
Tax them. Tax them right out of the country. Then the peasants will starve on the failed crops they have sown as their money and the jobs they generate emigrate elsewhere.
Its the only solution really at this point. Gotterdamerung to take the nation back.
I didn't know that. You guys in CA...hold onto your hat. The big screw is coming...
It always falls on the CONSUMER to pay any taxes no matter what they are or who their levied against. Since the middle class is the largest consumer market, without question the brunt of paying these taxes always falls on the middle class.
Sadly there are more and more people who just don’t get it.
JB
Same old democrapic talking points.
Liberal policies and prosperity are mutual exclusives.
You cannot support a progressive agenda, and also make a statement you are in favor of supporting the “middle class” at the same time. The very wealthy have all kinds of means of protecting their life of continued privilege, and any program that is supposed to support the the very poor, comes only at the expense of those closest to their existing economic status. The very poor take from those who are merely poor, and the merely poor take from those who are considered to be “middle class”, not by any means raising the very poorest, but only leveling the average downward. Thus, the gradual disappearance of what was once known as the “middle class”.
By defining the very lowest economic class as “middle class”, well, then, the liberal agenda certainly does defend the “middle class”. (Or is that “muddle class”?)
Depending on WHERE in CA, $4300 probably isn’t that high. Haven’t you seen (few, rare) apartments in Manhattan as high as $50K/month? It’s all about location, location, location. And what the market will bear.
I left SoCal for good in 1993...never goin’ back.
TOP DOWN—BOTTOM UP. Slam in the middle.
How much is enough for the schools?
Lets say a fat cat was going to buy a yacht for 100,000 but due to tax increases he decides not too. Ok now uncle Sam gets the 100,000. What does uncle do with it? He “redistributes” it , so now one yacht is converted into 30,000 bottles of Night Train. The stimulative effect of one yacht on the economy is lost in return for the stimulative effect of 30,000 puking winos.
You’re correct that the GOP should start saying those things, but I have a Dem friend who when I told him who pays what as far as income taxes, simply refused to believe me. That’s the problem: millions of Dems would rather believe lies than the truth. It, Dem pols lies, speaks to the average Dem that says yes, they are put upon by the rich, AND IT’S JUST NOT FAIR!!! I mean that’s why they’re Dems. They have a fantastic capacity for self-delusion and feeling sorry for themselves. Add ignorance to that, and you have a voter who’s extremely difficult to convince.
Property taxes are a horrible tax. It meets neither criteria for taxes: Benefits Received or Ability to Pay. Like any other “free good”, people buy too much of it when the price is free or unknown. I’d like to see each property tax person get a credit equal to the property taxes they pay. If it costs $20,000 per student for schools and you pay $5000 in property taxes, you still owe $15000 for your first kid in school. If I don’t have any kids in school, I can give my voucher away or sell it to the highest bidder. That way, you don’t force retired people out of their homes and having 10 kids all of a sudden becomes a little more expensive.
Of course this will never happen, but anything we can do to show the true cost of “free goods” is a good thing.
Consider the similarty between Obama’s insistence on increased taxes, the California government’s increased taxes, and the mentality of the union that killed off the Hostess bakery company.
All three are parasitic - they are determied to take what they want regardless of the damage they cause to the host.
econjack: The top 10% of the income earners in this country foot 71% of the federal tax bill, while the lower 51% of the people pay no taxes.
thatjoeguy: without question the brunt of paying these taxes always falls on the middle class.
I know what both posters are saying and I agree with them. But the 'give me free stuff' crowd needs this explained a bit better.
Where is it defined that those are the criteria? Or are those simply your personal, pet criteria?
Regards,
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